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[–]E_x_LncSGS2 | Chameleon ROM AOSP SiyahK, N7 4.2.2 Stock /francokernel 84 points85 points ago

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I feel you bro, its the only thing left to fix in Gmail, imo.

[–]EvilMonkeySlayerSamsung Galaxy S 2 | Nexus 7 16GB 85 points86 points ago

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Also missing an option for a dark theme.

[–]ChronophasiaGalaxy Nexus GSM 4.2.2 stock 48 points49 points ago

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They need this option on all their apps. I personally prefer dark app backgrounds. Plus, saves me a little battery.

[–]slanderousam 23 points24 points ago

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I'm sure most of you know, but darker images could only save battery on an LED based screen. Backlight dimming notwithstanding, the LCD backlight will always be the same intensity.

[–]MicShadowGalaxy Nexus (GSM) - CM10 Nightlies 21 points22 points ago

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I think you are forgetting AMOLED screens

EDIT: I was referring to AMOLED technology, as opposed to LCD. There are actually LCD screens with LED lighting.

I was just trying to clarify if slanderousam mean LCD or AMOLED

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or referring to them.

[–]SabrewolfSGS3 - Stock Rooted | Nexus 7 - Stock Rooted 21 points22 points ago

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AMO(LED)

[–]kllrnohj 28 points29 points ago

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AMOLED and LED are two very different things. LED's are often used in LCD screens as a backlight instead of CCFL, but that is very, very different from an AMOLED screen.

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[–]kllrnohj 16 points17 points ago

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AMOLED and OLED are the same thing (generally). (AM)OLED and LED, however, are not. The differences are massive. But to keep it simple, an "LED" screen is a normal LCD screen, only instead of using a CCFL backlight it uses an LED backlight. (AM)OLED doesn't use a backlight at all, and isn't an LCD.

[–]shanedoth -1 points0 points ago

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OLEDs are LEDs though. I can't tell how precise people are trying to be with their terminology, but LED backlit screens aren't necessarily what people mean when they say LED screens. There are regular old LEDs lighting up individual pixels on big screens in a bunch of outdoor displays, which use less power when showing dark colors than bright colors.

[–]r00x 7 points8 points ago

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LCD industry insider here, just so you know, the panel itself also changes power draw based on what it displays.

This means, backlight aside, a darker image can indeed use less power. Or more, depending on the design of your panel.

Not as big of an impact on battery life, but just fyi.

Also, your assertion about LED backlights is not entirely correct. The screen has to be designed to dim the LEDs on dark images and generally phones do not use such displays. They could dim the entire display, but again tend not to do that either (hence it really doesn't matter if it's LED or not).

[–]ChrysoscelisHTC Rezound, SlimRom 1 point2 points ago

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So just to be clear, LCD screen can use less power when displaying a black screen with white text. But does it save as much as an AMOLED screen?

I ask because I have seen a significant difference in display power consumption when I switched from my AMOLED Incredible to my LCD Rezound.

[–]r00x 0 points1 point ago

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LCD screen can use less power when displaying a black screen with white text

It can, but that doesn't mean it necessarily will. A lot of panels are normally-white, this means that their pixels relax to a white colour when the display isn't doing anything. That means that the panel must use energy to drive the pixels black. So those panels will use more power displaying black text.

What you're thinking of is a normally black panel in which the pixels relax to black - that means that in order to display black the screen doesn't really have to do anything, so the LCD doesn't use much power.

You can't tell for sure which you have in your phone/device without taking it apart, usually, unless you can find a teardown on the net.

But does it save as much as an AMOLED screen?

It doesn't save as much as an AMOLED, if you consider that the backlight of the LCD still draws power. In an AMOLED, there is no backlight, so when the display is black (drawing no/little power) the whole display is drawing no/little power. In a traditional LCD (for argument's sake a normally black model) the panel might draw little power, but the backlight will still be running, so that will draw pretty much the same power it always does. Thus the LCD display as a whole will draw more power than the AMOLED.

[–]AuraspeeDVZW Galaxy Nexus, Project Elite - HP TouchPad CM9 0 points1 point ago

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An LCD generally uses MORE energy when displaying a completely black image, backlighting technology notwithstanding . The LCD panel is consuming power to keep the pixels closed, effectively blocking the light.

AMOLEDs truly do benefit from black/darker (IIRC a very dark red is optimal) images since they self illuminate, therefore, a black pixel is in fact off and consuming very minimal energy. A black pixel in an LCD is in fact being charged to stay in a twisted state to block light.

Interesting article from Toms Hardware comparing CCFL vs LED backlights. Surprisingly, the power difference isn't much when taking the electrical circuitry into account.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ccfl-led-backlight,2930-5.html

TL;DR - LCDs see minimal energy improvement from black colors, may consume more. AMOLED does conserve with darks. LED vs CCFL comes down to internal circuitry of the bulbs, and how many are present.

[–]r00x 0 points1 point ago

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An LCD generally uses MORE energy when displaying a completely black image, backlighting technology notwithstanding . The LCD panel is consuming power to keep the pixels closed, effectively blocking the light.

As I said, it can use less, or more, depending on which state is the panel's natural 'relaxed' state. Panels which relax to white will use more power displaying black. Panels which relax to black will use more power displaying white.

AMOLEDs truly do benefit from black/darker ... therefore, a black pixel is in fact off and consuming very minimal energy.

Yep!

A black pixel in an LCD is in fact being charged to stay in a twisted state to block light.

On a normally-white panel, yes. Normal-mode-black panels, the opposite is true.

What's true for all LCD panels is they consume more power when producing moving images, regardless of their backlighting or subpixel design.

Interesting article from Toms Hardware comparing CCFL vs LED backlights. Surprisingly, the power difference isn't much when taking the electrical circuitry into account.

Funny, isn't it? It's not the big saving people assume it is. In fact, today's sunlight-readable panels (which are all LED driven) consume a lot of power. We're working on a 7" LVDS project at the moment and the panels in question gobble a good 6 watts of power for the backlight alone. A normal panel of that size will often consume less than half of that.

On the other hand, that same panel is like looking at the surface of the sun when you're indoors, so there's that.

[–]pseudoopus 0 points1 point ago

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This paper contains actual measured numbers for (coupe years old) smartphones.


[OpenMoko Freerunner, LCD Topploy 480 × 640 ]

We also measured how the content displayed on the LCD affected its power consumption: 33.1 mW for a completely white screen, and 74.2 mW for a a black screen. Display content can therefore affect overall power consumption by up to 43 mW.

[T-mobile G1, 3.2” TFT, 320x480 ]

The content of the LCD display can affect power consumption by up to 17 mW .

[Nexus ONE, OLED]

The Nexus One features an OLED display, and as such does not require a separate backlight like the Freerunner and G1. Furthermore, the effects of display content and brightness on power consumption are more tightly cou- pled. For instance, the OLED power consumption for a black screen is fixed, regardless of the brightness set- ting. For a completely white screen at minimum bright- ness, an additional 194 mW is consumed, and at maxi- mum brightness, 1313 mW.

[–]pitne -1 points0 points ago

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wrong. amoled only

[–]thorlordHTC Evo 4G LTE - CyanogenMod 10.1 -1 points0 points ago

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So my HTC Evo 4G LTE with its Super IPS LCD2 screen doesn't save battery by having a black wallpaper?

Damn.

[–]luinfanaGalaxy S III SCH-i535, CyanogenMod 10 3 points4 points ago

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Same...speaking of which, does anyone know of an app that can do color inversion on other apps? This would be a godsend for those of us with AMOLED displays.

[–]E_x_LncSGS2 | Chameleon ROM AOSP SiyahK, N7 4.2.2 Stock /francokernel 11 points12 points ago

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You can suggest that to Gmail Labs.

[–]navjot94Nexus S/4/7 10 points11 points ago

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Didn't Google discontinue Labs?

[–]SabrewolfSGS3 - Stock Rooted | Nexus 7 - Stock Rooted 7 points8 points ago

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You reminded me how annoyed I am that I can't use mouse gestures on desktop gmail.

[–]kraytexNexus 4; Nexus 7 1 point2 points ago

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Labs is still there...just mouse gestures isn't.

[–]SabrewolfSGS3 - Stock Rooted | Nexus 7 - Stock Rooted 4 points5 points ago

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Yeah, but it reminded me of the lack of gestures...and now I'm upset. I would like a cookie please.

[–]type40tardisNexus 4, Stop the Bullshit 1 point2 points ago

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Experiments*?

[–]betamarkXperia Play, GBTweaked/StockMod 8 points9 points ago

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How about select all?

[–]Yard_Pimp 1 point2 points ago

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Yes, that would be nice.

[–]drumercalzone09iPhone 5 || Nexus 7 2 points3 points ago

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They use a white background because most companies/email clients send mail with the expectation that the recipient will be reading with a white background. Unless they could systematically change font colors in the email, there would be tons of readability issues.

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[–]goneforaburtonAsus TF101, ICS | SGSII ICS 7 points8 points ago

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How about just removing colours from fonts in night mode? In fact, give me the option in day mode because I want email, not myspace in tiny pieces.

[–]kabuliwallahSGSII | Vanilla Rootbox 1 point2 points ago

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I'm using a custom ROM (Resurrection Remix v 1.9.1 for SGS2) which gives me the dark theme for Gmail and its bloody brilliant.

[–]tiradiumHTC Sensation 10.1 0 points1 point ago

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Also ability to display emoticons, I'm getting tired of 5-8 1kb attachments

[–]IAmAN00bieNexus 4 | AOSPA 0 points1 point ago

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[–]Llewdin -1 points0 points ago

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African American theme

ftfy

[–]derityug 13 points14 points ago

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Also attaching something other than a fucking picture directly from inside the app.

[–]E_x_LncSGS2 | Chameleon ROM AOSP SiyahK, N7 4.2.2 Stock /francokernel 6 points7 points ago

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I think ES File Explorer works well if you want to attach.

[–]RileyswimsGalaxy Nexus [CDMA] - flashaholic 4 points5 points ago

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Just install some type of file manager. (eg astro)

[–]marouf33HTC Desire, Android 4.2.2 JB CM 10.1 0 points1 point ago

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last time I checked you CAN do that

[–]easytigerSamsung Galaxy SIII 0 points1 point ago

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yup. total bullshit. would be fine to use another client eexcept you cant get push email any other way.

[–]shingalated 11 points12 points ago

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That and the whole we refuse to let you download a .zip because it MIGHT be a virus thing.

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Yet it lets you download apks just fine. Makes sense.

[–]hitcho12EVO 3D, ICS 1 point2 points ago

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I don't know how you guys feel about this, but I feel that the zoom feature and the ability to view all your Gmail accounts' messages in one window. My personal, school, and two work e-mails all run Gmail and Google Apps, and I hate having to switch inboxes once I'm done reading a message.

[–]bgciotti 0 points1 point ago

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This is why I feed all my apps accounts into my master accounts and just sort by labels

[–]hitcho12EVO 3D, ICS 0 points1 point ago

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And to reply, do you reply from that master account or go back to each individual account?

[–]bgciotti 0 points1 point ago

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Google lets you send mail under different address, once you confirm you own them. This let's me send all my mail from my master account.

[–]whoami9Galaxy Nexus (GSM)| CM10 M2 1 point2 points ago

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Isn't this due to a patent issue? Somebody else owns the patent or something sufficiently related?

[–]CraddyGT i9000 - Remics-JB Rom 0 points1 point ago

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We need a quick way to mark all undread emails as read! I hate selecting them all, then mark as read, then deselecting them!

[–]E_x_LncSGS2 | Chameleon ROM AOSP SiyahK, N7 4.2.2 Stock /francokernel 0 points1 point ago

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I think you need to create a label for those spammy emails and keep them out of the inbox/delete them

[–]sturmehGalaxy S III & Nexus 7 22 points23 points ago

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Then let me copy text in gTalk.

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[–]dargolfGalaxy Nexus, Stock 5 points6 points ago

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Too late now, people already use Whatsapp. Google missed the chance to make gTalk awesome and standard.

[–]steikSamsung Galaxy SII, 4.0.3 4 points5 points ago

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Huh? Whatnow?

[–]qtxGSM Galaxy Nexus & Nexus 7 2 points3 points ago

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Nah, Whatsapp is mostly used in some European countries.

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WhatsApp has terrible security, I really wish people would use something else.

[–]Get_ThisNexus 4 0 points1 point ago

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Gtalk trounces Whatsapp for one simple reason - it's free. WA is paid after 1 year. Also, 'always on' system process like WA eat shitloads of battery. But media sharing is brilliant over WA, I'll give you that.

[–]dargolfGalaxy Nexus, Stock 4 points5 points ago

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Whatsapp uses push notifications just like gtalk AFAIK.

[–]siddardhabNote 2 2 points3 points ago

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I don't know. they keep saying that, but I have been using whatsapp for over 2 years now and I didn't pay anything. The expiry date just keeps extending.

[–]dargolfGalaxy Nexus, Stock 9 points10 points ago

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Whatsapp is the winrar of android.

[–]DingDongHelloWhoIsItGalaxy S3 I9300, Cyanogenmod 10 19 points20 points ago

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No point upvoting here.

Star this issue: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=15745

[–]linh_nguyenN4, N7 7 points8 points ago

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and DON'T comment. Just go to https://code.google.com/hosting/settings and uncheck starred items from the issue tracker section so you don't get spammed.

[–]dard12Galaxy Nexus | AOKP 5 points6 points ago

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Don't star the issue if you don't want emails for the rest of your life if someone comments on this post.

[–]linh_nguyenN4, N7 15 points16 points ago

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then go to https://code.google.com/hosting/settings and under tracking issue, uncheck items you've starred.

[–]dard12Galaxy Nexus | AOKP 6 points7 points ago

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That was very helpful. I have been getting emails for the past 6 months about the quality of contacts pictures. Thanks!

[–]linh_nguyenN4, N7 2 points3 points ago

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that woudl be another huge issue google should address, heh.

[–]JakeSteamGalaxy SII, ICS 11 points12 points ago

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Let me just add Google Reader to this as well.

[–]solarspeedIdeos X5 Pro, CM 7.2 0 points1 point ago

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You should really try gReader. It's much better than official client.

[–]shyloqueHTC One X CM10.1 16 points17 points ago

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Wasn't there something with apple owning a required patent? Don't take this as evidence, but I think I read that somewhere

[–]2Cuil4SchoolSGS3, Stock, VZW / Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet Stock 18 points19 points ago

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Funnily enough, the Gmail client in the iPhone does have pinch-to-zoom.

Mind you, I understand it to be just a wrapper for a browser webview of the mobile html5 version or something, so it might not apply the same copyright policies a real app would; I just think it's funny if it's a legal issue holding 'em back.

[–]Anxiolyticcaptivatemtd (LOL), CM10.1 5 points6 points ago

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I think it's stupid that a patent can be valid for one system and invalid for an apparently identical system, as far as consumers are concerned. It should be invalid in both systems for being unnoticable.

[–]nyki 2 points3 points ago

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Yes, but that only applies to pinch-to-zoom in email, not other methods of zooming.

[–]thevoicelessNexus 4 2 points3 points ago

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I don't think you can create labels in the app either...

[–]shit-im-not-whiteGS3 Semen White 2 points3 points ago

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The built in email app has pinch to zoom though right?

[–]waylaidwandererSamsung Galaxy S II, RootBox (4.2.1) 1 point2 points ago

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Only for plaintext emails I think.

[–]easytigerSamsung Galaxy SIII 6 points7 points ago

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no for anything. its a client that uses pop or smtp

[–]waylaidwandererSamsung Galaxy S II, RootBox (4.2.1) 1 point2 points ago

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I can zoom in on the normal email app (the one that has an icon with a yellow trim envelope) if the only thing in the email is text, but all it does is basically make the text larger.

[–]FroggypwnsMoto Xoom tablet, Asus Transformer Prime TF201 tablet 1 point2 points ago

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Yep. I use the built in email on my ICS tablets for accessing an exchange server, and it allows me to zoom. I always zoom in a bit when I have to show another employee something emailed to me while in the field, it works great. Not sure if it is only plain text like the other comments say, as I usually only get plain emails anyway.

[–]sri745Nexus 4 (stock) 2 points3 points ago

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How about being able to forward multiple e-mails in one attachment?

[–]thoomfishGNex (VZW), Nexus 7 CM10.1 13 points14 points ago

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The best way to get a big company like Google to fix something is to make a huge fuss until they get off their asses and do it.

[–]cmdrNachoN4 carbonrom/motley - Touchpad cm10 3 points4 points ago

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this is nothing new, theres plenty of solutions in the other threads. This is like the sound issues with Android and various other things. The best solution is to switch to the web client.

When has this really ever worked with Android ?

[–]thoomfishGNex (VZW), Nexus 7 CM10.1 9 points10 points ago

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The best solution is to switch to the web client.

If this is really, truly the best solution then my next phone will be an iPhone.

[–]Jethro_Tell 1 point2 points ago

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You know the first 2/3 version of iPhone had no copy paste and people just bitched about it in forums and what not until it was fixed. This is a far smaller issue, and who exactly do you think you will be calling at apple to get the features you want?

[–]thoomfishGNex (VZW), Nexus 7 CM10.1 1 point2 points ago

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I was an iPhone user for 4 years until I picked up my Galaxy Nexus. The iPhone UX had far fewer papercuts than Android. I thought that with ICS, Google had finally turned around and started paying attention, but I'm starting to become disillusioned.

[–]Jethro_Tell 0 points1 point ago

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I'm not trying to start a holy war here. I think they are both great platforms, as long as which ever you choose fits into your workflow and makes you life better, the choice is up to you.

I do however think that Apple's not to much better about listening to the customer. They may be a little more intuitive about what you want, but they have quite a track record of doing what they want and then telling you it's perfect. (Not so different from Google in this case.) Apple defiantly has a cleaner, more mature platform, but to imply that means they listen to the customer is a bit of a stretch.

[–]cmdrNachoN4 carbonrom/motley - Touchpad cm10 -2 points-1 points ago

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thats your choice, but I think the majority of people this isn't a phone changing issue. Yes theres a very vocal subset of people I can tell its an issue for, but probably at most its a minor annoyance for me.

Try a different client, if you look the the threads that other people have wrote about, you can probalby find alternatives. If its that big of a problem whats the big deal of using the web client, just create a bookmark on your home page, to the url, you probably won't even notice the difference.

[–]doyoulikebread[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Whoa, didn't know that this thread would blow up like it did.

I've seen these posts before, last one was from a while ago if I remember correctly. I searched as well and saw all these links, but just wanted to bring it to the attention of the community again. In reality, I just wanted to vent because I received an email that I really wanted to zoom out on, and it royally pissed me off.

Thanks for the links.

[–]xakeri 1 point2 points ago

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It is definitely a huge hole in the product, and this is only a stop gap, but you can try using the incredibly similar, nearly identical (in ICS at least) stock email app. It has pinch to zoom, and setting it up is really easy with a Gmail account.

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Speaking of missing features, is there a way to send emas using the Gmail app using plain text (that is, with a 60ish character limit on each line)?

I hate that my app emails don't have a hard word wrap.

[–]shanedoth 1 point2 points ago

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I'm curious why you'd need this. I feel like word wrapping should be handled dynamically, based on screen size and stuff.

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I feel like word wrapping should be handled dynamically, based on screen size and stuff.

It should be independent of screen size. Our eyes have a wide field of view, but that doesn't necessarily mean that books should be 20 inches in width! When it comes to continuous reading, the optimal number of characters per line is somewhere between 45 to 75 characters in width, with 66 being considered ideal (c.f. Bringhurst). As far as I know, this ideal doesn't change for web view.

Try writing a very long e-mail using gmail plain text (hard word wrapping) vs. rich text (browser word wrapping). Makes a world of difference and it makes reading e-mails so much easier when the line width is around 60 characters regardless of the screen size and/or browser.

Also, when I write an e-mail, I want to know that my paragraphing structure will be preserved regardless of the browser/screen size. You can't ignore the medium when you write the message. Yes, absolutely, there are some drawbacks to a hard word wrap (notably if you need to copy and paste text into another program), but in my opinion the advantages greatly outweigh the drawbacks.

[–]shanedoth 0 points1 point ago

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That sounds like it means that word-wrapping should have a maximum width (I agree, which is why my browser windows are never maximized), but a hard-coded width also means that it doesn't scale downward, either. Hard-coded line breaks at the 60 character mark look terrible on a display with a 50 character width.

Similarly, a line break definition based on characters and not actual width doesn't make sense unless the font is being displayed is monospace. I don't do emails in monospace, nor would I generally recommend it for anything other than code or command line stuff.

In other words, I don't see any advantage to hard-coding the line breaks at 60 or whatever, when you should be able to just tell the software "always break at 60."

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Hard-coded line breaks at the 60 character mark look terrible on a display with a 50 character width.

What displays have a 50 character line limit? I guess a very old school cellphone? On a PC, I can't recall an example.

Similarly, a line break definition based on characters and not actual width doesn't make sense unless the font is being displayed is monospace.

Why not? See the reference to Bringhurst. Never is it mentioned that the text needs to be monospaced (or justified). I don't see why it has to be monospaced. The point is that anything more than 75 characters in length tends to reduce readability. That's the point I'm making.

In other words, I don't see any advantage to hard-coding the line breaks at 60 or whatever, when you should be able to just tell the software "always break at 60."

Because not all software/web interfaces do this. Gmail accessed with Firefox doesn't. Gmail app access with Android doesn't. I'm assuming e-mail programs like Thunderbird, don't, either.

If I'm creating a website, then I would want the maximal text of the body to follow the same rules. I want my reader's experience to be the same regardless of what browser they use. Who the heck designs a website with the intention that the reader would only maximize their window by 600 pixels or whatever?

Anyways, this is getting a bit out of hand. Like I said, I do know that there are pros and cons either side, but for all my uses, a hard word wrap is much preferred. It's not like it's a hard thing to implement. I want to be able to write plain text e-mails with a 66 (or whatever) character limit per line. That's the simplest kind of e-mail.

Edit: Correction --- it's 78 characters per line due to RFC standards (see here).

[–]shanedoth 0 points1 point ago

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A quick test I ran on my Gmail client on Android wraps at approximately 40 characters on my default settings (4.3 inch screen, normal zoom), so this is a real world example of a display where a hard wrap at 66 or 78 wouldn't work all that well, with a bunch of jagged half-lines throughout the text. Throw in the number of people who have smaller screens, or use a larger font for readability, and you're essentially making emails less readable for them by adding arbitrary line breaks.

I'm a strong believer that formatting should be separated from content, and this seems to be a pretty clear-cut case of that. The basic rationale behind such a rule is for maximum flexibility for the most different types of use cases, not just yours. And I'm agreeing that I never want to see text where the wrap happens at the 100 or 150 character mark - if it's happening a lot, then the software displaying the text should be patched to reflect these use cases. Not adjusting the text itself so that it's less compatible with a wide variety of displays.

Who the heck designs a website with the intention that the reader would only maximize their window by 600 pixels or whatever?

When a web designer makes the assumption that no user would be visiting their page with 600 pixels of horizontal resolution, the resulting website generally looks like shit on phones. The functionality is also reduced when a user has to scroll horizontally.

On a side note, I have never seen a professionally typeset, printed work where the lines wrapped based on character count and not actual width of the line. I'm not talking about justified edges, I'm talking about how different combinations of letters take up different amount of space when you have non-monospaced letters and kerning and the like.

10-character string examples:

1234567890
Auctioning
Camcorders
Buccaneers
Furnishing
Backgammon
Titillates

[–]omniuniMoto Droid 4 w/ 4.0 | Nexus 7 w/ 4.1 1 point2 points ago

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Yep, still waiting.

[–]ArchReaper 1 point2 points ago

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(Not so) Fun Fact: The GMail app attempts to display exactly what the desktop version of GMail would display. No other email app does this, it's only the GMail app itself (try a GMail account on the regular email account if you don't believe me)

This also means that it will never, ever, ever, display any mobile versions of emails. It will always display the desktop version. That's part of the problem.

Source: I'm an email/web developer.

[–]ultrafezHTC Desire HD, Sense on Gingerbread 0 points1 point ago

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You can get mobile versions of emails? Like by using media queries in the HTML email's CSS?

[–]ArchReaper 0 points1 point ago

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Yup! Works with all mobile and tablet email clients except for the GMail app in android. If you use the normal email app in android, you should see them if you get any :)

Reference if interested in further reading

[–]tktino 1 point2 points ago

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We have a few Android team members here! Lets bring this to the frontpage! To the top i say!

[–]Mazgelis626Nexus 4, Jelly Bean : Nexus 10, Jelly Bean 6 points7 points ago

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What an original idea, can't believe no one's thought of this!

[–]richworksGalaxy S, Galaxy Note 10.1 20 points21 points ago

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I don't think OP is proposing an idea.. He's just frustrated by the lack of an obvious feature :)

[–]Get_ThisNexus 4 1 point2 points ago

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Yep, he did add a /rant tag too.

[–]doyoulikebread[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, I was just venting my frustration. I really wanted to zoom out on an email! It seemed so simple but goddamn did it piss me off that I couldn't do it.

[–]kefs 2 points3 points ago

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Looks like it's time for my monthly K9 preach :p

Try K-9 Mail. It's based off of the original AOSP email.apk, open-source, and the community has added a shitload of improvements.

edit: i should have added.. yes, it obviously allows pinch-to-zoom.

edit2: one thing i do hate about k9.. it gives you a 'Sent from K9 on my Android phone' signature.. you can turn that off in the composition settings for each added account.

edit3: yes.. it doesn't have any of the slick actionbar controls, or fragments, or much of anything else in the way of slick graphics, but it IS incredibly functional, has tons of features, and actually works fantastically. if you feel like refreshing the look, it's open-source, so feel free to fork.

[–]thoomfishGNex (VZW), Nexus 7 CM10.1 17 points18 points ago

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That is hideous.

[–]LarrySDonald 8 points9 points ago

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DM;HPTZ

[–]3825sgs4g, Valhalla 1.3.2, T-Mobile 0 points1 point ago

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I am new to this acronym. Please elaborate?

[–]Get_ThisNexus 4 2 points3 points ago

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Doesn't matter, have pinch to zoom

[–]muffinheartHTC Desire HD, CM 7, GiffGaff 0 points1 point ago

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The dark theme is pretty nice and yeah... It has zoom.

It also allows you to customise the font size on the UI, which is important to me.

[–]4567890Google Glass, Nexus 4 7 points8 points ago

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Does it really look like the screenshots? Because that looks like it's based off of the 1.0 version of email.apk. Yuck.

[–]tuntisNote II, Nexus 7 0 points1 point ago

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It is.

[–]fr3tles5 1 point2 points ago

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Certainly in my case, its unpredictable microsoft exchange behaviour is a dealbreaker :(

[–]dedfrogSamsung Galaxy S, CM10 | Nexus 7 | Nexus 4 16GB (stock) 0 points1 point ago

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I'm SAYING!

[–]pgfoundaliG2x Gingerbread [root] 0 points1 point ago

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I've noticed this too and I don't quite get why

[–]liltbrockie 0 points1 point ago

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and let me mark all as read

[–]Bifti 0 points1 point ago

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It's such a shame that google doesn't do real open source development...

[–]coheedcollapseEvo 3D - CM10.1 + Nexus 7 - CM10.1 0 points1 point ago

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Not that I'd be opposed to this addition (It'd be neat for people who need it), but why not simply change the text size to "large" or "extra large" in the settings?

I don't feel as if there's really a need for pinch to zoom when text size throughout most emails is reasonably constant.

That said, why not? I have nothing against the inclusion.

[–]MangoScangoVZW GNex · CM 10.1 10 points11 points ago

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It's not zooming in that's the problem, it's zooming out.

[–]coheedcollapseEvo 3D - CM10.1 + Nexus 7 - CM10.1 2 points3 points ago

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Ah, that makes sense. I've just never run into that problem so I didn't think of it.

[–]wartornheroSamsung Galaxy SIII, Stock; Nexus 10 3 points4 points ago

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I get emails from Newegg with deals I can only see one picture of an item at a time. if it is something I am interested in I need to scan to find out the name and price. I also have problems with attached pictures.

[–]Viro_Lopes 0 points1 point ago

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Hehe, My GMail for WP, I can zoom in. =D

[–]peterfaresGN2, Lumia 920, SGS2 0 points1 point ago

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And combines all the inboxes into one :)

[–]Viro_Lopes 0 points1 point ago

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Yup. =) Another thing neat about WP is Microsoft Office.