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Should I write US Airways about having to share half my seat? (self.AskReddit)
submitted 2 years ago by igotfiveonit
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[–]aphexcoil -5 points-4 points-3 points 2 years ago
Not to mention that if people start doing this, maybe that fat bitch will stop eating so many Big Macs.
[–]JJJJShabadoo 138 points139 points140 points 2 years ago
Right, because humiliation has worked so well to get fat people to slim down in the past.
[–]greenw40 160 points161 points162 points 2 years ago
I'm sure humiliation has motivated A LOT of people to get slim.
[–]greenw40 34 points35 points36 points 2 years ago
Humiliation and vengeance is a powerful combination.
[–]NotTheDude 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago
I lose weight for spite.
[–]mynewusername2 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
i lost weight with sprite
[–]PersianSean 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
i lost weight, and can now wear tights
[–]BHSPitMonkey 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
I lost weight so I could win at fights.
[–]friendlyfire 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
I seriously thought for a second that you lost weight for sprite.
I pondered for a minute in what universe you have to lose weight in order to drink soda.
[–]jhawkweapon 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I eat spite for breakfast.
[–]sahkuh -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
I bet I could eat 100 sprites...
[–]Is_that_bad 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Rambo: First Blood is a good example of that.
[–]mottom24 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago
this looks like a good time for a montage!
[–]riverhed 13 points14 points15 points 2 years ago
So you spit and shook your fist at the guy who was honest enough with you about your problems to encourage you to actually do something about it? What a fucking bastard! How dare he?
[–]Gobias_Industries 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Yeah, it was a bit of a self-mindfuck. I know he was just doing his job, and frankly he was right. I turned it around in my head thinking I would lose a lot of weight and go show him and prove he was wrong. I thought about what I'd say and how shocked he'd be, all sorts of fun scenarios. Anyway, I know it was all bunk, but it worked to motivate me and that's all that matters. It ended up my job changed health insurance and I never did go back there, but it served its purpose by that point.
[–]tmoraca 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Dude, good on ya. Self-brainwashing is necessary to get shit done sometimes.
[–]Bubba-Booey -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
hindsight is wonderful isn't it?
[–]Iketorz -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
You made me want to lose weight, dick. Now look at me...with all these hot chicks and a modeling career. Thanks Doc Hollywood.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
don't forget tears. Sweet, sweet, tears.
[–]InigoMemetoya 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Revenge is a dish best served cold. And it is very cold when you're on a diet.
[–]prodijy 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
vengemiliation is one powerful motivator.
[–]downneck 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
now i'm thirsty. thanks.
[–]MananWho 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I gained weight due to equal parts humiliation and thirst for a 128 oz Slurpee.
[–]khamul 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Well, when you're trading in hunger for thirst, are you really making any improvements?
[–]Dissolution 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Good thing it wasn't a hunger for vengeance.
[–]Caneb 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago*
Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0nZE3TDkQw
[–]jmedelman 24 points25 points26 points 2 years ago
I lost 60 pounds because I didn't like how I looked and thought it would help with girls --- and now I'm engaged :)
Not sure it was humiliation, but it definitely gave me an ego boost which helps me not care/notice any humiliation I might encounter now.
[–]ubuwalker31 18 points19 points20 points 2 years ago
Don't worry, You'll put it back on after you're married.
[–]mkosmo 13 points14 points15 points 2 years ago
So will she.
[–]Iketorz 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
These days you're not cool unless you pack on the weight BEFORE you get married. After you tie the knot is when you start the gunt development stage, which repulses you from non-drunk procreation thanks to the power of mutual horror.
[–]TheMeasuringTapir 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Ah, marriage - the beautiful time when everyone is fat and disgusting and they don't care because they didn't want to have sex with each other anyway.
[–]fe3o4 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Unless he crushes her first
[–]JJJJShabadoo 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
LOL! The day I got married, my metabolism pretty much stopped. I eat half as much and exercise twice as much as I did before I got married and still have to watch my weight.
[–]riverhed 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I lost a fair amount of weight just through better habits and the job I was doing at the time; this was after I'd gotten engaged and before I got married. That first year, we both put on a few more pounds than we'd like, and I was always bigger than I wanted to be. I already have the girl, but for my own sense of self, I've been losing weight consistently for quite some time now (40-50 lbs over the past 10 or 11 months).
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago
Yes, because emotional binge eating is not a real thing.
[–]greenw40 -12 points-11 points-10 points 2 years ago
So you're saying that every person in the world suffers from emotional binge eating? Most people?
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago
Where did you get that?
I'm saying that for every person who gets motivated by shame, another sinks deeper.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
At which point does it become about Darwinian Natural Selection?
[–]taejo -4 points-3 points-2 points 2 years ago
Ah, only 50% of people.
/statisticsnazi
[–]Crass22 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
Who said its 50%?
[–]taejo 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
olympiclifter did:
for every person who gets motivated by shame, another sinks deeper.
He didn't mean to, but that's what "for every ... another" means.
[–]omgitsbacon 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Edit: Should've refreshed before commenting.
[–]The_Comma_Splicer 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Don't be so cras...oh.
[–]greenw40 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago
So my original point is correct, many people have been motivated to lose weight by humiliation.
[–]JJJJShabadoo 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Really? Nobody that I've known (obese or formerly obese) has ever trimmed down due to humiliation.
[–]Fantasysage 26 points27 points28 points 2 years ago
That's because they didn't tell you that.
[–]greenw40 15 points16 points17 points 2 years ago
First of all, the amount of people you know is insignificant. Second, you don't know the actual motivation behind anyone losing weight, most people probably hide the fact that they are humiliated on a daily basis and would rather credit it to "getting healthy". Third, if you really believe that humiliation doesn't motivate people, then you're very naive.
[–]ShakeyBobWillis 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Hey! Father of the year right here!
[–]akgreenman -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago
There needs to be a greater social cost for being obese. Buying another seat isn't enough humiliation, because they're purchasing an excuse. I'm thinking that same moment when the stewardess informs you your bag wont fit into the overhead and they'll have to stow it below, is when they also inform the fatties they'll be forklifted into prearranged seating next to the freight.
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/31/fines/
[–]JJJJShabadoo -16 points-15 points-14 points 2 years ago
Who pissed in your corn flakes this morning?
Why is your assertion that humiliation has worked (without any evidence) more solid than my assertion that humiliation hasn't worked?
There are a ton of obese people in the US. And it's socially unacceptable. And yet, obesity levels aren't dropping. Everyone I know who is fat (or who was fat) tells me that they were always humiliated by their own weight, and yet, that humiliation was never, in and of itself, adequate. But, as you so kindly pointed out, my experience is insignificant. So let's see the academic studies that substantiate your claims.
[–]ArmyofAncients 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
I agree with greenw40. You'd have to be very naive to believe that humiliation does not play a substantial factor in an overweight person's decision to lose weight.
[–]JJJJShabadoo -5 points-4 points-3 points 2 years ago
Fortunately, reality isn't a popularity contest and believing something is so doesn't make it so.
Some of you seem to miss a basic human concept, and that is, self-consciousness. People who are fat know they are fat. For the most part, they aren't happy about it. They already feel humiliated. If you think openly humiliating them further is such a damned good idea, then start deriding your obese friends and family, see how much that helps them.
It's amazing that redditors are so supportive of druggies and sex addicts, but you see someone addicted to food and/or a disgustingly unhealthy lifestyle and somehow thing that embarrassment is going to magically solve the problem.
[–]ArmyofAncients 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Neither myself nor greenw40, whom you are responding to with this comment, said anything about our desire to humiliate and embarrass people. We're merely saying that it's fairly obvious that years of humiliation would clearly seem to be a motivating factor in somebody's desire to become thin.
And the difference between drug/sex addiction and food addiction that causes people to hate on food addicts is there is a level of experience that is associated with drugs and sex that is not present with food. I can be brought to a different place entirely with powerful drugs or mindblowing sex. But I've never had an out of body experience from eating a whole box of fuckin' oreos.
[–]greenw40 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago
If you want evidence, maybe you should read the replies of people that said that humiliation was a motivating factor.
[–]efapathy 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
Fat people know they're fat. Many just don't want to make the effort, so they pretend they don't care. If you gave them the choice with no effort they could slim down and get toned over night, they would take it. Humiliation is somewhat brutal and there should be some more self motivation, but life IS better as a non-obese person. (I'm a formerly obese person who lost a ton of weight and can testify to the difference in how people act around me from before/after)
[–]JJJJShabadoo 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago
Aye, I've been on the fat train myself. Spent years walking around sucking in my gut, avoiding pools, always self-conscious about what other people were thinking/saying, etc.
I lost weight when I had motivation to do so (a job requiring physical fitness). Years of humiliation were inadequate. I'm thinking that if self-image was, in and of itself, enough to motivate someone to not become obese, then they wouldn't become obese. If they are obese, then humiliation is unlikely to be a motivating factor.
I'm not defending the fatties, either. I'd be pissed if I had to sit next to someone that spilled over into my chair. But I don't think trying to embarrass someone into losing weight has worked, or will work, for the vast majority of the population.
[–]burnblue 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Positive, rather than negative reinforcement works better for so many things
[–]AgnesScottie 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Actually, societal humiliation has probably made more heavy people fatter than it has made heavy people thin. Because the dieting methods used by most people aren't sound, they tend to diet and gain back even more weight than they lost, getting fatter due to mucking up their metabolism with whatever crash diet they were using. That combined with emotional binge eating probably makes humiliation more likely to increase fatness.
http://www.jyi.org/news/nb.php?id=1517 Stress of being lower in the social hierarchy leads to over-eating in rhesus macaques
The decision to lose weight has to be made by the person, and then they have to have support from the people around them (friends and family, not strangers on planes or reddit of course) to help them maintain lifestyle changes they make. Successfully keeping weight lost from coming back also usually requires increasing and maintaining self esteem. Most overweight women already have low self esteem without being humiliated.
[–]sharklegs 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
So people that are getting mocked because they have terrible eating habits.... turn to worse eating habits, lose a little weight, and then go back to other bad eating habits, and gain more weight? Food-autism can't be this prevalent.
[–]AgnesScottie 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
I think it is pretty prevalent. The diet industry in America takes in $46 billion a year, but the overall population is getting heavier, not thinner.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7432448/
"a government review found that two-thirds of American dieters regained all the weight they had lost within a year, and 97 percent had gained it all back within five years."
[–]greenw40 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
Because the dieting methods used by most people aren't sound, they tend to diet and gain back even more weight than they lost, getting fatter due to mucking up their metabolism with whatever crash diet they were using.
So, by that logic, trying to lose weight causes people to gain weight. So I guess nobody should try to lose weight.
The decision to lose weight has to be made by the person, and then they have to have support from the people around them (friends and family, not strangers on planes or reddit of course) to help them maintain lifestyle changes they make.
A person can be humiliated somewhere and still have support from elsewhere.
Successfully keeping weight lost from coming back also usually requires increasing and maintaining self esteem.
If some loses weight, they won't be humiliated anymore (because of weight). Problem solved.
It seems as if you haven't presented any support for your theory that humiliation causes people to lose weight.
Look at the replies, several people said that humiliation was a factor.
[–]trexmoflex 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Have you not see Heavyweights?
[–]IDriveAVan 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
When I was fat humiliation usually made me get depressed and lose motivation.
[–]deadbunny -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
Maybe not, but I'm sure it's caused a few suicides. Anything to thin the herd.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago
Humiliation motivated me to change my appearance. Why wouldn't it motivate others to lose weight?
It's more about the person than the problem, weak people will buckle under pressure, others won't.
[–]NimbusBP1729 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago
their belts will buckle under the pressure too
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
+1.
I laughed whole heartedly.
[–]Gozirra 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
This makes perfect sense. When I had my wisdom teeth pulled it didn't hurt at all so why would others be any different. Wait? I know 2 people who thought it was hell on earth. They must be weak.
This is the biggest pile of shit argument that has ever existed. It worked for me how can it not work for someone else? My theory would be that people are all different. They have their own backgrounds and experiences and upbringings. That is why it may not motivate others like it did you. Because they are not you and may be nothing like you.
[–]aphexcoil 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago
Hey if they start screaming back, they're bound to burn a few calories.
[–]phish -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago
And then they'll burn a few more with the wheezing after all that exhausting screaming.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago
Then they will be sweaty AND take up half your seat. :(
Wheezing is a hilarious word.
[–]Hughtub 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago
BUT I LIKE THE STAIRS. THEY'RE FUN.
[–]fakeredditor 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
This is worth an upvote.
[–]mrjester 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Too few people quote old Sandler comedy.
[–]Bubba-Booey 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Haven't seen a reference to that in 15 years. Hilarious.
Fatty McGee, you're the fattest!
[–]ShogunGould 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago
Wheezing is a useless pokemon.
[–]switch495 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
It sure has helped a lot of normal weight people turn deathly thin.
[–]drewburger 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
whose username?
Just curious because I enjoyed yours
[–]InigoMemetoya 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
I drew a burger once.
[–]unbibium 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
It's not about humiliation, but rather about responsibility. People are motivated to be responsible when they have to face consequences for being irresponsible.
The consequence in question could provoke any number of responses. She could maintain the status quo and bear the additional hassle at the airlines, adapt to the status quo by buying multiple seats, hide from the status quo by not flying anymore, or take whatever steps she'd been avoiding to lose the weight.
People are motivated to be responsible when they have to face consequences for being irresponsible.
Really? So smokers quit as soon as they can't run anymore, or when they notice they're sick more often? Druggies quit the first time they're arrested? Sex offenders quit the day they get caught?
It's be nice if human behavior were so simple. "The chief cause of failure and unhappiness is trading what you want most for what you want now."--Zig Ziglar. Seems to apply here.
[–]unbibium 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Addicts quit only when they've hit rock bottom. But some people's rock bottom is more shallow than others'.
[–]ArmyofAncients 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Yeah, like the majority of fat people who slim down?
This isn't about people's feelings or sensitivity. It's about effectively dealing with a problem. If I believed that humiliating and embarrassing the hell out of fatties would get them to trim down, I'd be the first one advocating for it.
Yes, that's true.
I don't think you would have been out of line to politely say something to the passenger and/or the attendant. As a practical matter, I don't think calling or sending a letter now will do a damn thing. If customer service were a primary goal for airlines, I haven't heard of it for the last ten years.
[–]37th-Chamber 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
Seeing as I'm Canadian and I pay my taxes and stay healthy, I'm furious that someone like this can be completely irresponsible with their health, not pay any extra for it, and expect to just have it dealt with on my dime.
Humiliate her, tax her, do whatever I don't really care but I'm sick of fucking paying for it.
See, now you're talking.
Weight is, for the most part, a controllable variable. In a healthcare system, people who are obese should bear substantially higher premiums/taxes to reflect their risk of health problems. It's frustrating to me knowing how many Medicaid dollars are spent on weight-related health problems.
I'm not suggesting we accept obesity, I'm saying that we need to figure out an effective way to deal with it, and I don't think humiliation is working. It may make people feel better but it isn't making the problem go away.
Well using my own Canadian model again we tax the shit out of cigarettes here because it is a huge drain on our health care system.
I saw an American guy in 7-11 freaking out because they wanted him to pay something stupid for a tin of Skoal. Like twenty bucks or something, he said he had bought a bigger tin in the states for 2.75. The difference is that if he gets cancer he'll lose his house, and here he's already paid for treatment.
Obesity is starting to beat Tobacco as the leading cause of preventable death. Yet we don't add any additional costs to foods that we know for a fact contribute to obesity, increasing the load on health care.
My health care, that I pay for so that when I seriously injure myself I can get help. Except instead I spend two hours in the ER waiting room with two breaks in my collar bone because the health care system is over extended.
Hm could there be a correlation between one of the leading causes of preventable death and the strain on health care?
I'm all for you being able to get as absolutely fat as you possible can. Great, I'm happy for you. Make choices, smoke crack whatever. But once again don't ask me to pay for it.
It comes down to harm principle. You should be free to do whatever you want, as long as your freedom to does not interfere with my freedom from.
In this case, you're free to be as fat as you want, but that freedom does not take precedence over my freedom from have to deal with your shit.
Wow! Here I thought that only American were against paying for other peoples healthcare.
I'm happy to pay for health care. Universal health care is awesome, just don't abuse the ever living piss out of it. Pay to play.
There are often many underlying hereditary reasons for people to be obese. Thyroid conditions, high uric acid that predisposes people to being obese, diabetes, and heart disease, race factors (i.e., Black men have a much higher incidence of hypertension), and medical conditions that limit peoples mobility. Women especially can build fat deposits below the waist that even proper nutrition and active lifestyles cannot eliminate.
So simply saying that weight is for the most part controllable is not always an accurate assessment.
Then let me restate it.
Weight is, for the vast majority of the population, a controllable variable.
Most people who are fat are fat because of lifestyle choices, not hereditary reasons.
So, do you stay healthy because of lines and time it take to get treated due to the Canadian Health Care system ?
I mean, if health care is free, why not take advantage of it and get sick all the time?
I stay healthy because it's really just the thing to do. Being sick is gross.
[–]Hughtub -3 points-2 points-1 points 2 years ago
You're an enabler to their fatness. Downvoted.
[–]DoctorKazefa -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
Uh, it has.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago
Actually it has, there have been several formerly-fat redditors who have chimed in on threads like these and said that it either did help or it would have if someone had done it to them and they wish that someone had.
[–]JJJJShabadoo 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
And some people quit heroin cold turkey.
The point is, fat people are generally looked down on and humiliated in their day-to-day lives. Being fat is one of the most unforgiving addictions one can have. Society simply doesn't accept fatties. And thinking that simply humiliating them more is going to dramatically reduce obesity rates is ignorant. Addiction is not so simple as to be a matter of rationale, or else we wouldn't have addicts in society, we'd simply solve the problem by mandating a logic class.
[–]smemily 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago
I'd agree with you and say that humiliating people for fatness seems about as constructive as humiliating hoarders. It socially isolates them which can actually worsen their problem. Especially when many ways of losing weight (jogging, biking, etc) are public. I've had overweight friends who were harassed while they were jogging which obviously is a bigger incentive to stay home and hide in a bucket of ice cream than to continue to exercise publicly.
[–]topper51 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
This attitude really gets me pissed. Would you be saying this if, over the past few months she had already lost 50lbs?
Seriously, when you say things like this to a person who knows that they're fat and is already losing weight all you do is breed contempt by being a complete asshole. You can justify it all you want but saying, "maybe that fat bitch will stop eating so many Big Macs." is nothing but you proving to the world that you are miserable and just don't want to be alone.
I was made fun of for being fat from 1st grade through 12th. Not one single person who ever made fun of me for it helped, not even a single bit. All the humiliation does is embarrass and stress you out. I started losing weight once I stopped being around people that made fun of me.
That being said, fat people really need to start losing weight, seriously.
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[–]30percentAlpaca 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
In cases like this, where the person in question is a total stranger, you can be a real asshat by accusing someone's weight on unhealthy eating. Although only a small percentage of the people who are overweight and/or obese are that way due to health reasons, you typically cannot know if someone is overweight due to overeating or due to something they cannot control. On the chance it's the latter, you'd be making a real ass of yourself (or OP would have made a real ass of himself).
[–]phish -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago
It's glandular!
[–]Lereas 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
So you're telling me that your family Has a history of obesity You got the polycystic ovaries Your mum had childhood diabetes But, and in your case There's a fucking big butt Do you think it's an appropriate treat The all-you-can-eat at Pizza Hut?
So you're telling me that your family
Has a history of obesity
You got the polycystic ovaries
Your mum had childhood diabetes
But, and in your case
There's a fucking big butt
Do you think it's an appropriate treat
The all-you-can-eat at Pizza Hut?
[–]melink14 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_ElXYzFX_w
I'll send Stewie right over.
[–]moratnz 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago
A statement that has to be pronounced in a jabba-the-hutt stuffing three big macs into his mouth while sucking down a gallon of soda bubbling voice
[–]Bubba-Booey -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago
Please be more sensitive, she has a glandular problem and a thyroid condition. She also has a slow metabolism and is big boned.
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