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[–]CorleonisPX 6 points7 points ago

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Here's my answer as someone who was agnostic when younger, then a "non-denominational indifferentist Christian", then Catholic:

In a mixed marriage, I thought the non-Catholic must agree to let the Catholic parent raise the children as Catholics until adulthood as a condition which must be upheld for the Church to approve the marriage.

So, if you are already planning on not having them stick to Catholicism, you will make your promise to the Church and your wife a lie. It's good to not pretend to be a Catholic to hold up a facade, but you already might be starting out with a lie, anyway. If your wife knows you are breaking the promise you made, and if she sees you slowly loosening up about your promises and maybe even enticing your kids, it's going to hurt your marriage.

If I am wrong, and only your wife had to promise to raise your children Catholic, then what you have said already implies that you have little to no respect for your wife's promise.

If you want her to be happy well into future decades, don't marry her. Instead, let her find someone who will not cause conflict in her childrens' minds and lives, because no matter how nice you make it out to be, you are already, tacitly, showing yourself to be a sort of passive adversary. You think it's neat that she's good at this "religion game", but you'd be so happy if she were an atheist instead! Well, what's likely is that, like all married people, you will both become intimately aware of each others' faults more than you ever imagined now, and with that familiarity you certainly may not think like you do now. And, you might decide to give up being Mr. Passive Atheist, hoping the kids will see it your way. Instead, there's a good chance you will say, enough of this Catholicism stuff, our kids should not be led into religion.

Then, either you will be in for years of fights, possibly quite bitter fights that will lead to divorce - and you have no actual respect for your wife being Catholic if you are going to gamble with possible divorce with her. She may never be able to marry as a Catholic again if that happens. Sure, annulments may be too easy to get these days, but that may not always be true. You would be consigning your ex-wife to either apostasy if she re-marries after divorce, or she will have to live the rest of her life single.

Or, if she has weak faith, you might not be in for a lot of fights, or they may be easy. Instead, years from now you may find you are able to win the arguments and get her to not stick with her promise to the Church. You may even get her to become a non-practicing Catholic, or agnostic, or even an atheist. But then, you will have made everything in your original post here a lie, as well as everything you promised to her at the beginning. She will always remember.

There are so many things that are going to happen between now and when you two have your kids, you need to do a lot of very hard thinking. You have a very rosy picture of things and you are partially blinded by love.

Let me, a Catholic, tell you, an atheist, something very interesting - feelings aren't very important. The feeling of love is great, but the actions of love are what give it real meaning. If you are willing to lie or capitulate just to keep that feeling of love you have now, and if your actions come from and are dependent on your feelings, you are in for serious trouble. Feeling is a weak basis for anything with the exception of art.

If you want to pursue feelings over principles, then I and many others would say you have little business being married. If you want to be realistic, you have to plan for times when you might be unhappy with life, or with her, and you might not feel like putting up with "the Catholic stuff". You might go through stuff that makes you unwilling or unable to hold that up. You have to put down the good feelings for a bit and be honest with yourself and your wife, and talk about what you really think of religion and what you really plan to do about your kids being raised Catholic. If you don't, you're letting yourself and your wife fool each other by buying into a facade. You're already weighting things in your own favor

You're already saying you're fine if the kids abandon their faith, so how readily do you think anyone would believe you won't entice them or drop statements here and there contrary to what your wife and the Church says? Are you really going to keep thinking this way 18 to 20 years into the future, or does it just sound good right now? It may get you over one hurdle, but you cannot avoid the hurdles in the future.

I'm very curious how old you are. If you and your girlfriend are in your early 20's, you need to slow things down and do some hard thinking. If you're older, well, same thing.

P.S. I agree with ThereWasADream's comment - that letting your kids decide at high school age whether or not they want to go to Mass is the worst time to do it. Teenagers do not have adult minds, and we all know from personal experience that during the teenage years we basically try and un-discipline ourselves because we are not mature. For you to go easy on them during those years makes all your accommodations and stated intentions into meaningless platitudes. You are basically saying you are just going to wait for the right time to sabotage what your wife has promised the Church she will do. You are waiting for one of your kids' most vulnerable times - when they will think like they are adults while they are still just kids - to woo them into complacency away from what you see as your wife's neat but meaningless promise.

[–]bongomagic[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks for the comment. I'll touch on a few points.

If I am wrong, and only your wife had to promise to raise your children Catholic, then what you have said already implies that you have little to no respect for your wife's promise.

Only my wife had to promise to raise the children Catholic. I was made aware of the promise, but the Church didn't even require me to say I supported her promise, I only had to be aware of it. I will, in fact, go far beyond just being aware of it. I will do what I can to support her and make going to Mass and practicing faith a good and positive thing. I have absolute respect for her promise, and seeing as how you know nearly nothing about me and already draw such an implication shows how negative of a person you really are.

If you want her to be happy well into future decades, don't marry her. Instead, let her find someone who will not cause conflict in her childrens' minds and lives

Saying a Catholic should only marry another Catholic, someone who will not give any varied viewpoint is viewing Catholicism as a cult; which it is not. If the beliefs of the Church can't hold up to some level of rational skepticism, then they're not worth believing.

You may even get her to become a non-practicing Catholic, or agnostic, or even an atheist.

I do not want my wife to be an atheist or any less of a practicing Catholic than she is. I love her for who she is. I truly believe her faith makes her a better person and would never want to take that from her.

You have to put down the good feelings for a bit and be honest with yourself and your wife, and talk about what you really think of religion and what you really plan to do about your kids being raised Catholic.

I'm one of the most rational people you will ever meet. I have put down the feelings and have had the discussions about my feelings about the Church and my children being raised in it. That is what has led me here. I am honestly OK with my children being raised Catholic. I think it provides a strong foundation for morality, even if some of the details, ie. God's existence, can easily be disputed.

You're already saying you're fine if the kids abandon their faith, so how readily do you think anyone would believe you won't entice them or drop statements here and there contrary to what your wife and the Church says?

If you think anything is going to keep children from hearing opposing viewpoints about the Church, you're sadly mistaken. If you think that the only way a person is going to have strong faith is that they isolate themselves into a world where there are no other viewpoints, then you view faith as an illogical absurdity. I believe that encouraging my children to question is a good thing. The Church does not have all the answers, and neither do I. No one does. The best they can do is search for knowledge, and interpret the results.

I'm very curious how old you are. If you and your girlfriend are in your early 20's, you need to slow things down and do some hard thinking. If you're older, well, same thing.

I'm nearly 30, she's a couple years younger. We have done a lot of hard thinking. That's how we've gotten to where we are. When you say slow down and do hard thinking, what you mean is, 'I think you should change your mind'.

letting your kids decide at high school age whether or not they want to go to Mass is the worst time to do it.

That very much will depend on the child. While its the only valid point in your whole comment, its not universally true. High school age was the best time for me to make that decision. I know I didn't agree with what I was being taught, and hunted until I found an explanation that made sense. I guess I'm just hoping that my children will be as mature at that age as I was, but you're right that I can't predict that. As I said to the original comment: My hope is that by the time they get to high school, they'll either enjoy their religion and go to mass because they get something out of it, or they'll be able to explain logically why they don't feel the need to participate in the Church. I'm fine with it either way. I just hope they don't grow up to be as closed-minded and pessimistic as you seem.

[–]hygemaii 10 points11 points ago

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Alright, here's my deal. I was raised southern baptist (deep south) and,while I'm certainly not atheist, I'm not practicing anything, either. My wife, married for seven years and just had kid number five, is VERY catholic.

I go to mass every Sunday that I can, and we've agreed to raise the kids catholic until an age where they can rationally state why they don't want to go to church anymore. My wife also home schools our kids, being that she had a degree in educating, was a teacher when we met, and she likes staying home with the kids.

All I can tell you is ESTABLISH RULES BEFORE KIDS COME INTO YOUR LIFE. Don't let yourself (or her) be bullied into agreeing with something just stop the discussion. Remember that, even though you disagree, you love this woman, and you can and will work through differences. You will have them, and they will be legit issues. Decide now to either work through them or don't get married.

Good luck and keep your chin up.

[–]bongomagic[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks for sharing!

[–]ThereWasADream 3 points4 points ago

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My only advice to add is that I think high school is the worst time to let off on your kids. Make them go to mass until they're out of the house. If they don't want to go to mass get them to look at why it's important.

I grew up in a house where both parents were Catholic and became an atheist later, for a while. This is all because neither parent really explained "why be Catholic at all." Since you recognize the good in Catholicism, I will tell you that I really believe it's important for both parents to be behind teaching the faith. Otherwise, it just causes rebellion. Kids don't really want to not do what their parents say, they just want to know why they should. If they see Dad not going to mass, they're going to know "Hey, I don't really have to go to mass." That's my opinion, take it or leave it.

[–]bongomagic[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I think the fact that they know "Hey, I don't really have to go to mass." is going to be good for them. They don't really have to go to mass, and once they leave the house, if they were only going because they thought they had to, they'll stop. My hope is that by the time they get to high school, they'll either enjoy their religion and go to mass because they get something out of it, or they'll be able to explain logically why they don't feel the need to participate in the Church. I'm fine with it either way.

[–]ThereWasADream 0 points1 point ago

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You're the Dad! :P

[–]kaesekopf 0 points1 point ago

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Except, if you're raising them Catholic, if they willingly choose to not go to Mass, they are mortally sinning, and putting their eternal salvation at risk.

You're OK with that?

[–]bongomagic[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Since I don't believe in sin or eternal salvation, I'm absolutely OK with that. I want the Church to help them be good people. That's all that matters.

[–]pewpewprins 6 points7 points ago

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"She is a very smart and scientific woman, so she understands that my requirements for logic and proof will keep me from having faith, so she doesn't try to convert me." This is an interesting statement, and contrary to the Catholic idea and teaching according to which nothing in the faith is in opposition to reason, and faith in God itself is logical. I would recommend reading a book about faith & reason, perhaps "Chance or Purpose? Creation, Evolution and a Rational Faith" by Schönborn, an honest (European) book by a Catholic theologian, of which I admittedly have read only fragments.

[–]bongomagic[S] 1 point2 points ago

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She sees it as reasonable, and it satisfies her need for logic, but to me it is completely illogical and unreasonable. I really appreciate your advice, but no book is going to convince me that God is real.

[–]pewpewprins 0 points1 point ago

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Then I would at least research on the logics and reasonability

[–]goldenrule90 0 points1 point ago

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[–]bongomagic[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks for sharing that video. Unfortunately, all I got out of it was 'Catholicism is very open to questions, as long as you don't require evidence to support the answers."

[–]JugglingReferee 4 points5 points ago

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Good luck to you and your wife.

[–]bongomagic[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks!

[–]zxo 2 points3 points ago

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How can I support my wife in teaching our future kids about the Catholic faith if I don't have faith?

I think you've already got the right attitude. It sounds like, for the most part, you agree with and live in accordance with the moral philosophy of the church (which, to be fair, most people simply recognize as "being a decent human being") -- and that you are OK with the idea of your kids being Catholic like your wife. Kids learn way more from how you act rather than what you tell them, so the best thing you can do is to raise your family with love in the example of Christ, whether or not you believe in him.

What can I say if my kids ask why I don't go to Mass?

I don't know how useful the advice of a cradle Catholic without kids is going to be to you, but my suggestion is to be brief but honest when your kids ask questions. If it's something factual that you can research together, do it. Otherwise, answer from your own heart. But just answer the specific questions they ask, don't go out of your way to undermine what they are learning from your wife and the church. Don't use their questions as a launching point into a tirade against religion or belief. (Though you don't seem like the sort of person who would do this.)

If they know I don't believe in God, is there any chance they still might?

Based on the family of a high school friend whose parents had a similar situation, there is a 2 in 3 chance of your kids continuing to be Catholic after high school :)

Hope this helps, and congratulations!

[–]bongomagic[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks so much!

[–]EvanMacIan 6 points7 points ago

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Well, if you aren't expected to be catholic, then you aren't expected to pretend to be catholic. However, you will be expected not to intentionally do anything to pull anyone else, particularly your kids, away from their faith.

And hey, who knows? Maybe by the time your kids get old enough to ask those kinds of questions you'll have gone back to the Church.

[–]bongomagic[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Guaranteed, I'll never be a believer. My goal is to not undermine my kids ability to maintain the hope in a God.

[–]goldenrule90 0 points1 point ago

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I felt the same way before the Holy Spirit caught my heart on fire again. Now I cannot foresee ever having unbelief again.

[–]StaplesAssociate 10 points11 points ago

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I was beginning to write about how you are in a tough situation, but I realized that the religious dynamic between you and your wife might be a good thing for your kids. They will be brought up to see both sides of the religious spectrum, which is rare for most kids. Most kids growing up in a religious family are taught from both parents that their religion is right and that they must uphold the tenants and virtues of said religion. However your children will learn from both you and your wife that Catholicism and an atheistic lifestyle both have merits. This will make it easier for your kids to decide what they believe, as well as not having to worry about being disowned from the family. The only thing I suggest is making your children aware of your beliefs and have your wife support you in making your children know that you are not a bad person for not believing in God. All-in-all I don't think you have much to worry about, as long as you do a good job of parenting your kids the rest will work itself out.

[–]bongomagic[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I hadn't really thought of focusing on my wife supporting the fact that I'm not bad for not believing. Knowing her as well as I do, I'm sure she will, but we haven't really had the conversation. I agree that the parenting, and leading by example, will be the most important. Thanks for your comments!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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This.

My mom is a devout Catholic, my dad has never been to Church in his life, aside from when I received sacraments. There were honest discussions between him and me through high school and college, but we never really fought over it. It taught me to see people from outside of a religious perspective, that people aren't divided up into the Catholic box and the atheist box and the agnostic box.

[–]CorleonisPX -1 points0 points ago

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Your experience is not the norm, and is so rare it's probably bad for the OP to think it's anything close to even the far fringes of the norm.

[–]CorleonisPX 0 points1 point ago

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I'm sorry, don't mean to offend and I don't want my opinion to reflect on you, but only what you say. That said, your answer is myopic. Too much optimism for something as tough and possibly volatile as marriage.

How on earth is any of it going to work itself out unless the couple in question have won the "magical relationship compatibility" lottery in which they are one of the few couples out of millions for whom things just work out great?

[–]StaplesAssociate 0 points1 point ago

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I didn't comment on the possibility of a failed marriage because it is not my business to do so. I merely stated the benefits of raising a child in a household with different religions. The OP was asking about raising his child, not his relationship with his wife.

[–]Kerplonk 2 points3 points ago

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If I were you I'd set it up like compare it to loaning money or something similar. Say you had a friend you trusted who asked you for a small amount of money, you would probably give it to expecting to him to pay it back when he could. You don't know 100% sure he's going to ever give you the money back but the observations and interpretations you've made in dealing with him lead you to believe he will. Imagine that same friend asked a random stranger to borrow money. The same person viewed by someone else with different observations and interpretaions is much less likely to believe he/she will get his money back even though its the same person. The difference's in you and your future wife are similar given different inputs and processing you've both come to different conclusions on god's existence.

[–]bongomagic[S] 1 point2 points ago

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That's a really interesting comparison. Thanks for sharing!

[–]Kerplonk 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks

[–]Pfeffersack 4 points5 points ago

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I'm not going to let the kids get away with not going to Mass because they want to sleep in, or go to a public school because they think it'd be more fun, but I'm not going to push them to stick with Catholicism if they don't want to.

No offense, this doesn't sound like committed atheist at all. In fact, that's pretty much the way I would plan handle it. :) Good luck and thank you for sharing your insight.

[–]MetsaFirez 1 point2 points ago

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Tough situation, sounds like you are going to get a lifetime of pressure to recapture your Catholic Faith, which is probably a good thing ;] Good luck, I dont really have any advise as I can only suggest you attend Mass and support your kids/ wife. It is only one hour a week after all!

[–]bongomagic[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I'd thought about that, but it would be a complete lie. I don't want to go to Mass and just stand there. I refuse to participate in the prayers. I'm not going to talk to a God that I don't think is there. I'd rather engage my kids in conversations after the Mass asking them what they learned and how they feel about what was talked about during the Mass. If they know they're expected to share their feelings afterwards, maybe they'll listen a little harder and think more about it all.

I get why you'd think that me attending mass would be supportive, and I will honestly do anything to support my wife; but I don't think me sitting there uncomfortably, silently disagreeing with the majority of what is going on is going to give my kids a good perspective of what going to Mass should be about.

[–]xsailerx 1 point2 points ago

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I can offer a flip side to all these arguments.

My mother was born and raised a devout catholic. My father was born and raised a devout Jew.

Obviously, since I am in this subreddit, not /r/judaism I'm a catholic. However, my parents agreed to raise me and my siblings Jewish. My father was not interested in forcing all of us to go to the synagogue, and we ended up living about a mile away from my moms mother and the rest of her family, while my dads family lives several thousand miles away.

As a result, my moms side had a much bigger influence. I went to church, was baptized, confirmed, etc etc.

Now this seems all well and all, but over my childhood, the tension between my parents as far as religion, and the tension between their parents eventually drew both of them towards agnosticism. Now, neither my mom nor my dad have a strong religious outlook. My siblings weren't mature enough to decide for themselves that religion was a good thing or bad, they just wanted to sleep in. They stopped going to church.

I ended up going with my grandmother, but every week when I go to church, it kills me to see all these happy families, together. Neither my mom nor my dad enforce religion all that much, and they deliberately make it difficult for me to go to church, and now that I am independent and can drive, for them to go to church.

If you insist on raising your kids catholic, and you are putting yourself through all the dedication of ensuring that they have a choice, go to church, at least once in a while. You don't have to go every week, but you don't have to become a CASE church goer.

Church isn't just religion, it is a social aspect too. Your children will get much more out of church socially if you go. They won't view you as a hypocrite (making them wake up so you could sleep in). I have viewed my dad like that many times.

Keep in mind, your wife is planing on staying home. She will have a lot more time with the kids than you will, since I am assuming you won't work from home. I rarely saw my father during my childhood, and the two hours that I was going to church while my father was asleep and not with us were limited time that was being taken away. Your time at church with your kids will help you bond closer to them, even if you aren't planing on practicing.

Even if you ignore all the above advice, let me give you one final bit of advice. Pick a plan and stick with it. If you flip flop with religion, it will destroy your kids religiously and socially. If you make this plan, don't back out when it gets hard.

[–]bongomagic[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks for sharing. I definitely get what you're saying about Church being a social aspect as well as religious, and that's the only thing I think I'd miss about it all. I feel like me going to Mass would be more hypocritical than me not going. Our plan is to all get up together and while they're at Mass, I'll be cooking a Sunday breakfast that when they get home we can all share together and talk. I won't just be sleeping in.

Another thing is that it will most likely be me, not my wife, staying home with the kids. I work in the IT field and can do my work from home. She'll pull in enough that I wouldn't have to work full-time. I taught for several years and while I don't plan on home-schooling, I feel very strongly that I want to play a very active role in our children's education, from birth on.

I would rather bond with my kids through things we can actually share, like music, outdoors, projects, discussion, etc.

[–]xsailerx 2 points3 points ago

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Ok, then to the rest of your questions, LEARN about the catholic faith. You don't have to believe it to know about the facts. If your kids ask you questions, respond with facts and statements. "the bible says..." "the catechism says..." This should be easy for you since you were raised catholic. Ask them what they think. Try to respond to what they think, not what you think.

[–]Zarnath 2 points3 points ago

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Don't worry. Even if you consider yourself an atheist, you are still involved with the Church and its activities by being a husband of an catholic woman. Remember, the Catholic Church is open to all, believers and non-believers so you are welcome to our social aspects anytime.

[–]bongomagic[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks! I appreciate your support.

[–]herencia 1 point2 points ago

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I am in the same situation but pre-engagement. (I am the devout Catholic woman!)

From what I can gauge from your comment, my boyfriend of 5 years and I have had similar discussions. One of the biggest disagreements that we have in regards to raising children is about how/when to share that we have different beliefs. My partner wants to tell our children from the beginning that he does not believe in God. I am against this because I believe it will be extremely confusing to and unsettling for our children. I want my partner to be supportive of the faith lives of my children and myself. I believe that kids are extremely perceptive and that once they get older they will ask questions of us. They will observe that daddy does not practice faith like mommy does. I would rather that we both answer questions with consideration for age appropriateness, what question they want answered, etc.

My boyfriend was raised Catholic and (obviously) is not anymore. Not everyone who is raised in a faith will stay with it. I am not asking him to "pretend":I will go to Mass and practice my faith; he will not practice any faith. I would rather that we both allow our children to make their own observations and then come to their own conclusions.

[–]bongomagic[S] 1 point2 points ago

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It definitely sounds like we're in the same boat.

One thing I'd like you to keep in mind through this whole thing: You're going to share your beliefs with your kids and motivate them to think the way you do, and you're asking your boyfriend to not do the same. Not only are you asking that he doesn't equally share his feelings with his children as you do, you're asking that he hide his beliefs. If he's willing to do so, like I am, he's making a huge sacrifice. Don't forget that.

[–]herencia 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks for your response.

I'm not going to lie, I grapple with the sacrifice on his (and, I suppose, on your) part. I want to say first that I am not trying to offend or dismiss--I am sincerely trying to understand. I think my confusion lies in this: although we live in a supposedly "Christian" nation, it really is a very secular world. From pop culture to the political scene, living a truly Christian (and, moreover, Catholic) lifeway is not only "uncool" but also seen as "backwards" or "unenlightened." Given our sociocultural/political context, granting my children a solid understanding of and appreciation for their faith is going to be very challenging. In their everyday lives, they will be exposed to secularism, atheism, agnosticism, and other nuanced worldviews. I struggle with how quietly being in line with the majority of the world is a sacrifice. It's not like I am barring my potential husband from talking about these issues with our children; I just don't want him to blatantly disavow the faith during their formative years. My biggest fear is that my husband--their father--will totally undermine our children's ability to have faith at all.

An internet penny for your thoughts, sir!

(Also, I should say that my partner and I have talked about this kind of stuff countless times. I like a good debate, but things can get kinda heated. This stuff is personal, you know! I appreciate talking to someone in a parallel situation--but several years in the future!)

[–]bongomagic[S] 0 points1 point ago

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The fact that you're engaging in this conversation is pretty strong proof that you're not dismissing the concept, and I appreciate that.

I struggle with how quietly being in line with the majority of the world is a sacrifice.

While the majority of America is Christian, the majority of the world is not Christian. Christianity is the most populous religion, but only accounts for about a third of the world population. There 2 people in the world who are not Christian for every one that is. If you lived in, say, China, would you feel like you wouldn't be sacrificing if you were expected to not talk about your faith since you were in the minority?

You may want to discuss the difference between him wanting to actively encourage your kids you have faith, or if he's just willing to let you do so. If he really wants your kids to be faithful, he'll definitely need to censor himself, especially in the younger years.

That's why I posted this all in the first place. I want to actively encourage my kids to have faith, so I know I shouldn't just answer when they ask, "Why doesn't Daddy go to church?" with "Because he doesn't think God is real." That level of disparity in what they're being told is more than a kid can really deal with, so the sake of my wife, and what I hope will provide the most happiness for my kids, I choose to make the sacrifice of helping to guide them into faith rather than away from it.

[–]bingomagic 1 point2 points ago

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A message from the future mrs. bongomagic: looooong discussions have been had, and these discussions will continue on, probably even past our kids going to college. Bongomagic and I will be open, loving parents and our kids will be raised to be as such. After all, children act what they SEE, not necessarily what they hear. If they see us both as a united, loving couple, no doubt they will learn firsthand to be loving, fair, and good. Whether they use the Catholic moral and social teachings or Hammurabi's code, it all leads to the same way of being. And yeah, we'll most likely make mistakes, because we're human, but our mistakes will not be pushed under the rug or dwelled upon--they will be discussed. We'll gladly take any help we can get on broaching the subject of, "daddy doesn't believe in God [but he's still a good person] and that's okay". Thanks!

[–]ASenderling 0 points1 point ago

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I understand why you believe the way you do but you must understand that your statement "Whether they use the Catholic moral and social teachings or Hammurabi's code, it all leads to the same way of being." is incorrect. The reason Catholicism is the truth, furthermore the only true religion is because it is God made, not man made. All man made religions and institutions will be inherently flawed. This is why the Catholic faith, social and moral teachings, will always lead a person to an objectively higher "way of being." All religions unfortunately do not lead to the same place nor do all moral codes. Truth isn't subjective, by its definition there is only one truth.

I completely understand the viewpoint of being loving and open-minded parents, it is absolutely necessary. However "open-minded" does not mean being lackadaisical in teaching truth. To explain this, I can be sympathetic and loving towards homosexuals but I will never condone homosexual behavior or "marriage" because, although I do love them, letting them do these things or be married will do them much more harm than good. In the same sense, while they are under your roof, you have the absolute right and authority to take them to Mass and encourage them in their Catholic faith. There is, of course, only so much you can do and at some point if they decide they don't want to be Catholic and they have moved out or whatever then you can allow them to do this, but certainly don't condone such behavior and don't tell them it's okay for them not to be Catholic because it is frankly not okay for anyone not to be Catholic. That doesn't mean you can't love them or be sympathetic towards them, just don't condone it because it will do them much more harm than good.

All that being said, I hope you're encouraged to discover more about your Catholic faith and the teachings of the Church so that you can understand why the Church is the only truth. I'll pray for you and your future spouse as well as any future children you might have.

[–]bingomagic 0 points1 point ago

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Thank you for your prayers, and I most certainly will be praying for you as well.

[–]bongomagic[S] 0 points1 point ago

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certainly don't condone such behavior and don't tell them it's okay for them not to be Catholic because it is frankly not okay for anyone not to be Catholic.

Its this type of belief structure that, if my kids developed, I would be tragically disappointed. No one know what the Truth is. Every religion and non-religion think they have it figured out, but the fact is that no one knows. The ridiculous level of naive ego-centrism and narcissism that would lead someone to believe that they've got it all figured out, and they they're the only one(s) who get it, is disgusting. Try just being good to everyone, and stop judging. If there is some sort of all-powerful God who's going to judge you in the end; if he's not going to be satisfied with just trying to be the best you can to EVERYONE than he's petty and not worth being called God.

[–]ASenderling 0 points1 point ago

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I understand what you're saying and where you're coming from but I think you misunderstand my point. As Catholics, we believe that we are the closest to the truth of any other religion. We believe we have it the most right, because Jesus himself started the Catholic Church. Therefore, part of being Catholic includes knowing that Catholicism is correct and the only correct religion, the others are man-made. Now another part of being Catholic is evangelization and spreading the Gospel, which means spreading Catholicism. Everyone is supposed to, and is called to be a Catholic whether you agree with that or not. That's part of our beliefs as Catholics. I'm not saying you have to believe it as a non-Catholic but this is the way it is. I'm not in any way saying you can't love someone who isn't Catholic but there should always be a desire to bring them to the Church and thus the truth. I'm not judging anyone for not being Catholic, I don't know their past or what influences might have led to them not being Catholic, however as a Catholic I'm obligated to do what I can to love that person and bring them to the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

[–]Master-Thief 0 points1 point ago

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I don't have any advice to give you, but here's a book that may help you put things in perspective. An excerpt is here. And it's written for young adults (grade 8 and up), so I'm hoping that it's something you could share with your children.

[–]Jordoom 0 points1 point ago

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A "devout" atheist? Interesting choice of words, innit?

[–]bongomagic[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Perhaps. :) I used it in conjunction with describing my future wife as a devout Catholic so as to say that I am as committed to being an atheist as she is to being a Catholic.