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[–]BenDarDunDat 69 points70 points ago

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You are never going to find anyone that's exactly as frugal as you are. They will either be more frugal or less frugal.

Find someone with a good heart and shares many of your same values. From there, it's nice to have someone who can appreciate your strengths while you can appreciate his/her strengths.

[–]MamitaA 24 points25 points ago

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Yep, this. Just because someone is a tad less frugal than you (I'm not talking about someone spending hundreds on just dinner here), does not mean that they are a bad fit. There's a ton more you need to look at other than just finances. Is he kind? Willing to take on more than his share when you can't? Etc.

Also, I find it easy for us frugal types to slip into being cheap. Sooooooo easy. Having someone who's not as frugal, I've found, helps me be less, well, cheap. A perfect example of this is a kitchen aid mixer. I was drooling for YEARS over them. I bake a lot, especially bread, and it would make my life easier. But it was soooo pricey. Finally, hubby yelled at me to find the next 'good deal' on them and just take it. Sure, it was $270, but it was well spent. Especially because it was near mother's day, and they had dropped $30 from the price, it came with free tupperware and kitchen timer PLUS a coupon for a free attachment: either a meat grinder or slicers. I still internally cringed at spending that much. It was worth it though. I love my little red mixer. <3

[–]runningformylife 18 points19 points ago

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That's one thing I have a problem with reading this sub. A lot of it seems like great financial advice and great ways to save money. But then people post ideas that just seem downright cheap and make money out to be the most important thing ever.

[–]thesecretofjoy 2 points3 points ago

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My dad always used to tell me to buy the best qulity I could afford, if I was going to buy something at all. This advice has served me well. I have been using the same kitchenaid mixer for 25 years. That's $12 a year. I'm on my 6th year in my wonderful Keen hiking boots. The list goes on. If I'd bought cheap crap I'd have paid more replacing it over the years. Buy the best quality you can afford if you know you're going to be using it for years to come. :-)

[–]Happy-Time-Harry 2 points3 points ago*

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This is a good point. I tend to get caught up in worrying about the price of things and feel guilty about buying anything, especially for myself (generally tend to spend much more on gifts and on my partner in general.) Sometimes it's nice to be reminded that its ok to buy a nice thing I've wanted for myself occasionally.

P.S Congrats on your stand mixer! That's something my partner and I are eyeing off as well, even though good ones are $600+ in Australia. It'd be worth if for the fresh macaroons every week :D

[–]sefie 0 points1 point ago

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You can ask about refurbished ones at places like House or Matchbox. I got mine for just under $600 around Christmas time.

[–]lagar 1 point2 points ago

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I've had my kitchen aid mixer for over 30 year and LOVE it. I have the meat grinder attachment. Would love to have the ice cream maker. Do you have the pour shield? It's worth the money if you don't.

[–]acornboy 3 points4 points ago

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I agree. You need to find someone who does share the same core values, at least partially, but not exactly. Don't ever expect to change a big spender-debter, but do understand that you will both change as you live together. My wife spent way more money when I first met her, but not in debt and not beyond her means. I was a super penny pincher on a saving mission. Since then I've taught her that you need to save aggressively if you want money for a home, family, travel and retirement. At the same time, she's taught me to live a little and enjoy the fruits of our labors.

[–]slyguy183 1 point2 points ago

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This is some crazy deep stuff right here

[–]Celda 18 points19 points ago

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Before I met my girlfriend I was not super frugal. I ate at restaurants frequently, didn't save for the future.

Since we met I have adopted her superior frugal habits, we make our own bread, only eat our own cooking (meals cost between $0.75-$1.50 per person, buy bulk ingredients, live in a cheap but good apartment, etc.

Some people are more malleable than others and you may want to look for someone like that.

[–]bookwench 5 points6 points ago

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Congratulations on choosing to become frugal! It's like hacking your life to make it run better, or investing time in learning how to live a more relaxed, less stressful way - because you're not sweating the whole "how do we afford" thing.

[–]michalita 10 points11 points ago

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I wish I had. My spouse and I are currently separated in no small part because he has no concept of future goals and saving rather than the immediate gratification. He makes six figures, but is in debt to the tune of five figures. It's absolutely maddening. I think if you spend enough time with a person, you'll start to see how they operate financially (Do they lavish you with gifts that cost too much? Use credit cards a lot? Want to to go out and spend lots of money on dinner and movies? Take elaborate vacations?). The signs were all there for me, but I didn't really put it together until it was too late.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 3 points4 points ago

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hug

I also ignored signs with one of my over spending exes, and I'm worried I'll do the same again. I believed what I wanted to believe. He grew up poor, like me. He specifically hunted out a high paying job, like me. He (said he) wanted to provide well for future kids, like me. It just seemed like he "should" have the same financial ideas I did.

Why do you think you ignored the signs?

[–]michalita 4 points5 points ago

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Because I was an idiot? ;-) I think it's because I truly had no experience with people who were NOT frugal. I assumed in my little-girl way that everyone when they grew up would save aggressively, put their own needs second to the needs of the household, etc. My husband grew up with parents who were terrible with money, and also not very well off, so he now has this misguided sense of entitlement coupled with a lack of impulse control. He thinks that because we make a lot of money, we HAVE a lot of money. We didn't have a ton of money when we got together, and kept everything separate until we were married, so I didn't really see the signs until we had everything in one pot and I could really see the spending habits up close and personally.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Thanks for this, as its much appreciated commiseration. :) I absolutely thought putting the household needs before yourself was automatic, but gosh, it's not.

My guy grew up poor with 6 brothers and sisters, so I think that created a severe scarcity mentality. He rarely got the things/activities he wanted, and once he started to make a lot of money, he started to reward himself in a way he never got as a kid.

To our future and finding amazing frugal guys! clink

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[–]mobiuschick[S] 12 points13 points ago

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Haha! Darn our heterosexuality!

My Asian friends often joke with me, "Are you sure you're white? You don't spend like my mom doesn't spend." complimented

My first serious boyfriend and I were together for 2 years before we moved in together. I knew he wasn't the greatest with money, so before we moved in together, I told him whatever he did financially, he just had to cover his half of our bills: $500/month which included rent, utilities, food and sometimes beer for him. (Great deal, right?) He paid the first month on time... and never again. He would buy $70 DVD sets three days before our rent was due, then be unable to pay. He voluntarily stayed unemployed for two months, and when I'd admit I was upset I was having to support him, he'd say, "You know I'm not working!" (Where I live, there is NO excuse to be unemployed.) The weird thing about that relationship is that he offered to hand over his paycheck to me, because he knew I was great with money. At the time (I was 24), that just seemed too controlling; now, I'd take it in a second.

Another guy I dated graduated from university, and began a startup company with his friends, taking a very low salary while the business got off the ground. He told me, "If we can't pay ourselves more in three months, we obviously shouldn't be doing this, so we'll quit." Three months passed with no change and he said the same thing. Then another three months. The same statement every three months, while he was unable to pay back a mortgage-related loan from his parents. In addition to earning only about half his market wage, he really hated his job a lot of the time, and I felt like his partners were taking advantage of him; that was hard to watch.

And the last guy... sigh This one hurts because I logically chose him for financial reasons; I just didn't realize how badly he was misrepresenting himself. (Neither did he!) He grew up really poor, which I thought was a guarantee someone would appreciate money and be reasonably frugal. He said he was working in the high paying oil and gas industry so he could reduce his expenses, and have more time in the future for the family he wanted to have; that mirrored my life exactly, so I found it exceedingly attractive. I overlooked his fancy car purchased with high interest financing. I tried not to read too much into the fact that he bought a stereo system for my car, even after I vehemently insisted I absolutely didn't want it. (I didn't let him install it; it was too much a symbol of his tendency to ignore my wishes.) The big one: we hit the point we were trying to have kids together, and he booked himself a 3 week trip overseas without telling me until it was paid for without cancellation insurance; the flight alone was $2000. I dodged a bullet there, clearly, so I'm hoping this post can teach me how to dodge ALL the bullets!

Care to commiserate? :)

[–]bookwench 9 points10 points ago

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Holy crap, that's some bad luck there!

RE SO #3: There's an interesting article on cracked about how being from a poor background messes with your ideas on money.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Oh, gosh, that article was great! I've been meaning to read about the psychology of growing up poor, and this article nailed it. Depressing and enlightening!

[–]bookwench 4 points5 points ago

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The "money has an expiration date" thing struck home rather solidly for me.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Because you feel that way, or because you've encountered others that feel that way?

[–]bookwench 3 points4 points ago

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Both, actually. Mostly others, but myself too. "Hey, I have money! Time for that big splurge I could never scrape up enough cash for!" I'd mostly outgrown it by the time I saw this article, but it resonated with some of my previous choices.

[–]carela 2 points3 points ago

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Sounds exactly like my ex- grew up poor so now that he was money he buys whatever. He constantly buys things "for himself, because I deserve it, and I never buy myself anything"; doesn't seem to remember the last three big things he bought "for himself, because I deserve it, and I never buy myself anything." Not begrudging him the right to buy himself gadgets with his hard-earned money, but at least be realistic about how often you're doing it.

[–]bookwench 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah. Like it's a treat. Advertising plays a big role in this attitude too; there's a constant bombardment of "you deserve a candy bar/chips/expensive watch/whatever" message. I stopped reading stuff with adds and stopped watching TV on TV with adds. My spending dropped.

[–]kickstand 14 points15 points ago

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For me, it is a dealbreaker. Frankly, I can't really be close friends with people who are not cautious with their money.

How can you tell? You can tell. Observe closely. Discuss obliquely.

Where do you go on dates? If you suggest a picnic and a hike, does she prefer something that costs money all the time? When you do go out, does she fret over the prices at the restaurant? Does she suggest you split something? Does she ever suggest you save money by cooking at home? Does she pack her own lunch for work? If you mention that you pack a lunch, what's her reaction? If you travel together, see if she is open to staying at a cheaper motel instead of the expensive hotel. Does she shop at a thrift shop? If you mention you got a great shirt at the thrift shop, does she put up her nose at the thought?

It's a dealbreaker. Having a consistent philosophy on finances is one of the major compatibility areas with a spouse.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 9 points10 points ago

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This is brilliant:

Observe closely. Discuss obliquely.

In my last relationship, I discussed directly and foolishly ignored things I should have observed.

I almost find it a deal breaker for friends, too. Watching a friend go deeper into debt from consumer spending is almost like watching someone smoke: "Stop hurting yourself!!"

[–]emikokitsune 1 point2 points ago

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This may not always work, but is a good suggestion. Personally where it fails is the motel. Although I will shop at a thrift store, and I will eat in (self made food), but I will NEVER go to a motel. When traveling you NEVER want to go cheap, because you get what you pay for.

That being said, I think if you go out to eat every once in a while it's OKAY. I feel that if you go out to eat twice a month, that should be fine. (1 time at a fast food place and 1 nice sit down place) I would not eat at a sit down place more than once a month, and I wouldn't eat fancy (expensive restaurant) anytime other than a special occasion.

I think these are the differences between being frugal and being CHEAP.

[–]kickstand 1 point2 points ago

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Well, the point really is, do you share the same values, whatever they are.

[–]elvendude 19 points20 points ago

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I wouldn't say that I've chosen a partner based solely on this. However, it's a bit easier for me, as I work in finance, so I can pretty easily slip in something about a budget. If a date doesn't immediately go, "OMG, how can you keep a budget?!", then it's probably going to be ok.

With that said, one of my SO's keeps a very strict budget, one of them is very irresponsible with money, and one is in between. It's been a trial to bite my tongue when the irresponsible one spends in a way I wouldn't, but I have to remind myself that it's not my money and I don't really get a say.

Also, if you're ok with meeting people online, I would say give OkCupid a try. Their matching algorithm is pretty good. You can rate financial related questions as high importance and get a higher probability of matching with people who feel the same as you.

[–]Verifiablyme 6 points7 points ago

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You have 3 SOs?

[–]FishInABowl 3 points4 points ago

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/r/polyamory represent!

[–]Ninjabug 0 points1 point ago

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Oh helllll yes!! :D

[–]elvendude 10 points11 points ago

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I do, indeed!

If you are not familiar with polyamory and would like to know more, I recommend: http://www.reddit.com/help/faqs/polyamory

[–]likegermanywithatee 0 points1 point ago*

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Are you Mormon? Or is that just what you're into?

Edit: See above, not meant to be offensive.

[–]elvendude 15 points16 points ago

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Wow. No, I'm pretty much the farthest thing from Mormon that one can be.

Again, I recommend reading the FAQ I linked above. But, in a nutshell: yes, non-monogamy is what works and makes sense for me. I see no reason to limit myself to one person or for my SOs to limit themselves to just me. I believe that no one person can be everything another individual needs physically or emotionally.

[–]likegermanywithatee 1 point2 points ago

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I don't see why you were condescending in your response to me; it wasn't intended to be malicious. I'm aware of what it means to be polygamous as opposed to monogamous. I've known people who practiced it. I was asking for your perspective, not for a FAQ. Perhaps rather than speaking down to people as if the lifestyle they choose to live, different from your own, you should treat them with the acceptance with which you seek.

[–]constipated_HELP 4 points5 points ago

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Mormon polyamory is based in patriarchy. It's a sexist belief - polyamory is only for men.

Polyamory as elvendude practices it is as far from slut bashing or hegemonic masculinity as can be. Assuming he's Mormon because of his sexual practices accuses him of everything that's fucked up about the Mormon "poly" system.

Imagine saying you're atheist and being asked "oh, are you a Stalinist?"

[–]likegermanywithatee 1 point2 points ago

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I had no idea that's what Mormon polygamy was about.

[–]elvendude 1 point2 points ago

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My apologies if I gave offense. Not my intent at all.

Your post came across as if you did not know about polyamory, mostly due to the Mormon comparison as well as the wording of asking if that's what I was into.

I thought I had answered exactly what you asked, in that I gave my perspective on what and why it works for me.

[–]Ninjabug 1 point2 points ago

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I just know a lot of polyamorists are quite sensitive about the obnoxious Mormon comparisons, and he/she had already posted an FAQ.

[–]likegermanywithatee -1 points0 points ago

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Why exactly should I read an FAQ when there's a perfectly good person there to explain it to me? If its his belief structure, by all means, I'd like to hear about it. It's rather presumptuous to assume that I was being obnoxious. I didn't even realize that the Mormons don't identify with "polygamy" anymore despite having a history of it. Are "polyamorists" sensitive about it because it's a Christian reference? I'm not hatin'. What you do behind closed doors is your business, not mine. I just like to hear from different perspective.

[–]Ninjabug 0 points1 point ago

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People who engage in a poly lifestyle have to explain it so many times, it gets really old.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 9 points10 points ago

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Poly AND frugal!? YAY! There is hope!!

That's me too, and I would have mentioned something about that, but I wanted to keep the post simple!

There's a slightly-related incident I have been aching to ask a frugal/poly person, but I thought perhaps I was the only one!

My most recent primary visited Australia in February, and had a fling. I love hearing sexy details, so we would occasionally discuss her. One time, I asked, "Do you think she'll ever visit Canada?" His response: "She might. She likes traveling. If I paid for 3/4 of her ticket, would you pay the other 1/4?"

The ex and I both made great money, and she was a student, but still: WTAF!? Is that question as fucked up as it seems to me? Or in poly, do you just accept financial sacrifices will be made in order to maintain multiple partners? TIA!

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[–]olkensey 7 points8 points ago

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Hold me closer, Tony Danza.

[–]cdawzrd 5 points6 points ago

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On the one hand, it was your partner's fling and not yours, so you shouldn't pay anything. On the other hand, it could be construed that you were interested in meeting the fling / inviting her to come, which could explain why your partner asked you to become "involved" in the process of flying her out.

In general, being frugal/poly doesn't change the fact that if someone asks you to donate cash for something that you get no benefit from or aren't involved with, they shouldn't be offended if you decline, no matter what your financial situation is.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 6 points7 points ago

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Bro(ette?), this lovely answer has taken a huge weight off my shoulders. Before, I could only see, "Why does he want to take money away from OUR future?" But of course, he just thought I would be interested in meeting her, and in his eyes, $500 is nothing. Thanks so much for helping me see it in another, nicer light.

[–]elvendude 5 points6 points ago

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Poly and frugal indeed, yes! We should have coffee if you ever find yourself in Seattle or I find myself in Edmonton. =)

Hmmm...I, personally, wouldn't be comfortable paying for the travel of someone I'd never met, just for the chance to meet him or her. I'm big on personal responsibility for your costs, so having anyone else pay for my things kinda rubs me the wrong way, and I try not to pay for anyone else. That's just me, though.

I guess the question would be, how happy would that make my SO, and how much is that happiness worth to me? I know you can't really put that into monetary terms, but...yeah, you kinda can.

Overall, it seems kinda odd to pay for a fling to come visit you. If it were more serious or think it could become more serious (like, they were looking at moving to be closer to you), maybe. But...for my SO's fling...not so much for me.

I'm not sure it's fucked up, but it does seem like kind of an unfair thing to ask.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Man, how cool would a frugal-centric tour of another city be? :) Consider yourself Reddit-friended.

Yet another nice, reasonable response to something about which I was certainly over-emotional. Thanks. The ex and I had already stumbled over a few financial issues, and that's why this question of his rubbed me the wrong way: one more frivolous way to spend money.

Maybe poly and frugal go together more frequently than I think they do, because IMHO, they're both very logical choices. Also, I've been amazed at how successful poly people seem to be in academics/careers. There was an /r/polyamory post a while back about how the skills that make one "good" at poly are skills that make one good at life. Frugality certainly enhances my life a lot, so maybe it's all tied together!

[–]elvendude 1 point2 points ago

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I agree that people who have the mindset, communication skills, and maturity to make polyamory work in the current social climate are very likely the same people who can be successful at whatever they choose.

And I would totally dig a poly/frugal tour of another city!

[–]anarchyreigns 7 points8 points ago

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If you're from Alberta, find someone who grew up on a farm or ranch.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 4 points5 points ago

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This is probably really good (and wonderfully specific) advice. :)

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better yet- find someone who grew up in a rural area- ANYWHERE!!

[–]kayura77 2 points3 points ago

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Other variables may have more influence than childhood home. My boyfriend is from an extremely rural area. He is far too generous (with his money) for his own good, and is not very frugal.

I am also from a rural area; I am more frugal, and more generous with my time than my money.

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yes.

[–]DimityGirl 3 points4 points ago

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I wasn't a massively frugal before I met my SO. He didn't push me into being more frugal, he just set a fantastic example and now I try really hard to match that example.

Even if you can't find someone as frugal as yourself I'm hoping you find someone who is willing to make the change for you.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 1 point2 points ago

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That's a really nice sentiment. :)

[–]DimityGirl 2 points3 points ago

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Thanks, I guess? =)

[–]Thinks_Like_A_Man 8 points9 points ago

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Having married and divorced someone with an entitlement mentality, I can say you are right for your concerns. Having money means having options which equals security for me. There was a time when my then-boyfriend was offered a great job in another city but didn't have the money for the move. I should have bailed then.

Over the next dozen years, I dug us out of credit card debt due to his impulsive spending three times -- each time greater than the last. The divorce came with a $30,000 tab. I had nothing to show for all that work, I have no retirement (he cashed it in and spent it), and only my poverty is financing my kids education.

It was the single shittiest thing about my marriage.

Seriously, get a prenup regardless.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 3 points4 points ago

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I say this as a compliment: divorced people give the best financial advice.

I'm a big fan of prenups as well. An acquaintance of mine freaked out when her boyfriend asked her to sign a prenup before they moved in together. For a brief, stupid second, I thought, "Doesn't she want to protect her assets?" Then: Oh right. No assets. Makes it really easy to ignore the importance of the prenup.

I'm so sorry you had to go through all that; I'm hoping to avoid anything similar, so all the advice is very appreciated.

[–]Thinks_Like_A_Man 1 point2 points ago

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Had I taken financial control in the marriage, we would still be together and be millionaires.

[–]MamitaA 1 point2 points ago

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Different strokes for different folks. I would not sign a prenup, neither would my husband. Different values and all. No need to judge.

Then again, we talk openly about finances and since I am better at it, I am the one in charge of it. This is not to say we don't have disagreements from time to time, but what married couple doesn't?

[–]mobiuschick[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Sorry, I didn't mean to come off judge-y. I appreciate that prenups aren't for everyone. I guess I was just disappointed that the girl really freaked out about something that was significant to her partner, rather than trying to look at it from his point of view. Different strokes indeed!

[–]likegermanywithatee 0 points1 point ago

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Or, marry someone who isn't a reckless spender.

I would never agree to a prenup. I would be quite insulted.

[–]Thinks_Like_A_Man 8 points9 points ago

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A prenup is a great idea. If you move to a community property state, your spouse's bills become yours. A prenup trumps this. Further, that sane and stable person you married could become ill and turn into an impulsive jerk, as in my case. The only way to free myself from his reckless spending was to divorce -- but a prenup would have prevented that. It isn't about divorce, it is about financial responsibility.

[–]bookwench 2 points3 points ago

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It's actually very sensible of you to think this way - having shared financial values is a good idea in any long-term relationship. My only advice is to stick to your guns on this one. :)

[–]mobiuschick[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Thank you, bookwench! :)

[–]no1113 2 points3 points ago

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Yep. I got her. She rocks. I buy so much more stuff now with her than ever before because she clips all the coupons. I never did that myself before - and still don't do it now actually (she's the one that does it) - but we really take advantage of sales and whatnot now, and I'm actually very surprised at how much of a big difference that's actually made. My fridge is a LOT more stocked now with her than it ever was before she was here. :)

[–]fluffykittie 2 points3 points ago

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Couponing rocks! I might spend $100 in a trip, but that $100 worth will last me months and months, because I love to stock up on a few items when they're on sale. I got like 30 boxes of oatmeal free after coupon a while back (sale+coupon)... addictive!

[–]no1113 1 point2 points ago

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Ha. Gotta make sure and not let my gf read this response. Don't want to give her any more incentive to stock up on coupons than she already has.

Not to say that it's a bad thing. It's not. It's actually awesome, like I said. I think it's great. However, sometimes she can be a little bit persnickety about things that I'm more likely to just grab and go about. :)

[–]SweetKri 2 points3 points ago

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You form relationships based on similar values and--here's the important part--ability to communicate and compromise on those things that you don't agree on. There will be deal-breakers, and frivolous spending may be one of those for you. It's like anything else that you're seeking in a relationship, you have to find someone who is worth working out the kinks with.

[–]Quebecoise 1 point2 points ago

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I don't think you necessarily need to find someone who is naturally frugal. My husband's family is just terrible with money, so for him learning how to save money was an uphill battle. He didn't really have any positive role models for keeping his finances in check.

When I met him he spent money on the most ridiculous things. Like, for example, we went to Costco and one thing that he got was a 5 lb jar of marinated olives. Seriously! Not that I don't like marinated olives, but we did NOT go through that. I bit my tongue because I knew that we could afford him making one financial mistake(and learning from it).

I grew up in a low income household so saving and doing things myself comes naturally to me. I have influenced him positively in this respect! Now he's much more careful with his money, and doesn't buy things impulsively. He also does lots of research before buying big ticket items and consults people.

This REALLY didn't come naturally to him, but he took to it really well! I guess the moral of the story is never count someone out because pinching pennies doesn't come naturally to them! He's also helped me loosen up a bit. I would seriously never treat myself to anything, and he's taught me that I'm worth it!

[–]mobiuschick[S] 0 points1 point ago

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This story makes me really happy! People CAN change, apparently! I searched r/frugal to try to find if my question had been addressed already, and I found an old post about a man who was trying to change his high-maintenance wife's spending habits.

One of the most poignant comments said that in situations between a frugal person and a spender, the spender sees the frugal person as controlling and unkind. I've experienced this mentality, and I worried it applied to all relationships.

I also dig that he's helped you loosen up a bit. :) Sounds like a great situation for both of you!

[–]lissadelsol 2 points3 points ago

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One of the most poignant comments said that in situations between a frugal person and a spender, the spender sees the frugal person as controlling and unkind. I've experienced this mentality, and I worried it applied to all relationships.

There is a key to this- you must must must communicate with your partner. If the frugal person can't explain why they're frugal to their partner, then yes the spender is going to see them as controlling. Because it feels like rules without reason.

BUT if you can say "I would rather [save for our future, buy a home together, etc.] than [go out to eat 3 times a week, whatever]. Wouldn't you?" Then the spender understands where you're coming from. These are important discussions to have in a long-haul relationship. First you should find somebody who wants the same things as you, figuring out frugality comes from that, I think.

[–]MamitaA 1 point2 points ago

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Yes, this! Even with other frugal people, this can happen. Some people cut areas so that they can travel, others do it so they can splurge on food, etc.

Sometimes I feel like this gets lost in the frugal community. One of the major financial bloggers got ripped a new one when he posted about his 'high' grocery budget. People were calling him a liar and a fraud because it wasn't bare bones/low enough. Craxy is everywhere. lol

It works in reverse too. Sometimes I agree with a decision to spend money because of well laid reasons.

[–]jlbraun 1 point2 points ago

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I will repeat what was said below - if they grew up on a farm, chances are good that they're frugal.

[–]DutchessPeabody 1 point2 points ago

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I feel like my SO is quite a bit more frugal than me. But we have our own finances and my half (and his of course) of the bills are always paid on-time and in full. Also, he has made me more frugal, I cook and pack lunches a lot more now.

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[–]mobiuschick[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I follow Get Rich Slowly sometimes, I like Krugman, and I love Garth Turner's blog. I'm going to go check out mrmoneymustache as well! Thanks!

[–]upandtill 1 point2 points ago

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The only advice I can give is to take things slow in a relationship, and observe, talk openly, and deal honestly. Compromise is an important part to any relationship, but there are some "deal breakers", or things that you are unwilling to compromise on. Those would be the things to discuss in the beginning. If the person can't abide by it, move on. If they are surprised that you even mention it, and they think that it should be common sense like you do, then you've found yourself a keeper.

[–]shatmae 1 point2 points ago

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I didn't chose my boyfriend solely on his frugality but it really makes it a lot easier since we don't have any financial reasons to argue!

[–]impurath 3 points4 points ago

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[–]froggieogreen 2 points3 points ago

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Depends on if you're frugal in the coupon-clipping sense (which I think is more often seen as "cheap" - not that it is or that it's a bad thing) or in the I make my own bread/beer/shampoo way (which is more about self-sufficiency and environmentalism). My husband and I are the latter, so it was pretty obvious right from our first meeting that we would get along and have many of our important views align. We also met when we were university students, which translates into poor anyway. There was never an expectation of expensive date nights or gifts. It helps that both of us love to cook (and I have a tonne of allergies, so eating out is usually not a good idea anyway) and were raised on homecooking. Asking about someone's childhood can give you a pretty good idea of what kind of life they expect for themselves. I know that if my husband didn't feel the same way in terms of saving and paying off all debts, we might not have gotten married - being in a tough spot is hard enough, but being there because your partner decided that they wanted a new tv, or some other selfish thing, can be really destructive to your relationship. I don't really know of any other advice to give...

[–]elvendude 9 points10 points ago

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Depends on if you're frugal in the coupon-clipping sense (which I think is more often seen as "cheap" - not that it is or that it's a bad thing) or in the I make my own bread/beer/shampoo way (which is more about self-sufficiency and environmentalism).

I would say that there's a false dichotomy here. There is also frugal in the sense of buying selectively and making reasoned, purposeful choices in what you buy. For example, I will happily buy a big ticket item (like the $2000 computer I'm writing this on) after I've considered all my options and made sure that it will truly be worth the investment.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 3 points4 points ago

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Thanks so much!

I think I'm more the "environmentalist" type of frugal; I just don't "need" things the way so many people seem to. You met your husband in university, which is great; I'm too late for that, but I could certainly get involved in environmental groups, or other organizations that focus on simple living.

Of course, if your husband has a brother for me, that would simplify things wonderfully. ;)

[–]froggieogreen 1 point2 points ago

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Alas, two sisters who are happily married. But yeah, meeting people in a setting where everyone is there because they're passionate about X makes it a lot easier. :)

[–]Thinks_Like_A_Man 4 points5 points ago

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Coupon clipping means I am cheap? I just thought I was being smart last week when I got $200 worth of groceries for $60. If saving a shit ton of money on food makes me unattractive, I would rather be alone than be with someone who needs to feed their ego by being wasteful.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 2 points3 points ago

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which I think is more often seen as "cheap" - not that it is or that it's a bad thing

She doesn't think it's "cheap"; she just acknowledges that non-frugal-ers sometimes see it that way.

$200 groceries for $60? That's metaphoric lemon gin in my world! :D

[–]Thinks_Like_A_Man 1 point2 points ago

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I did not read carefully. Thank you.

I now feed a family of four on $60 a week I including meat and booze -- plus I have a stockpile.

[–]bijoudarling 1 point2 points ago

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That is way different than using a coupon to save ten cents which you hoard. Cheap with money(not frugal cheap ,or as paddington bear says,mean) and dating never works. Men who are mean/cheap are always also closed hearted. That has been my experience. Oddly I am the one usually suggesting more reasonable outings.

[–]Thinks_Like_A_Man 1 point2 points ago

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I know of people who are cheap and are also frugal. These are two different things. A cheap person stiffs a waiter on a tip, someone frugal takes home the leftovers.

[–]bijoudarling 1 point2 points ago

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You put it better than I did. Thank you.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Upvote for Paddington! :)

[–]bijoudarling 2 points3 points ago

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And a marmelade sandwich for you.

[–]froggieogreen 0 points1 point ago

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I don't think you actually read what I wrote. I said that some people can perceive it as "cheap" but that doesn't mean that it is cheap (as in substituting quality for quantity), nor does it mean that it is a negative trait.

[–]bookwench 0 points1 point ago

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You make your own shampoo? Awesome!

[–]mazman1 1 point2 points ago

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I wish I could find more girls like you. I find that having similar goals for your financial future is a deal breaker just like say wanting kids or not. My personal goals require me to be somewhat frugal. I don't actively research the cheapest meals, but I have a roommate even though I could afford a place of my own. Things like that. The problem I have is, as some others have pointed out, that it's easy to slip into being cheap. So not socializing because it costs money e.g. gas, booze, food etc. There is a balance to be struck and that balance will have to be found with your future significant other. It's just something, like all important topics, that requires much communication with your partner about. That way you are both on the same page.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 0 points1 point ago

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This is nice to hear! I'm getting slightly frustrated that I can't find a guy like me, but I like to believe that somewhere (within a few hundred kilometres of me) there's a guy thinking the exact same thing. sings "Somewhere Out There" :)

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I think you're better off not talking about finances, and instead looking at the overall picture of the person you're dating. There are usually a few signs you can watch out for to figure out a person's financial beliefs. Ask the guy what kind of car he drives. 2011 Porsche? Not frugal. Souped-up anything? Probably not frugal, given his concern with appearances. Something used with good gas mileage and low maintenance costs? Frugal, baby!

Similarly, if the other person is choosing/suggesting a location for a date, you can tell a lot from that. An expensive restaurant probably isn't the choice of a frugal person. Coffee might be cliche, but it's not a bad idea frugality-wise since you're out only $5 if the date is awful. Similarly, if the person suggests a rather non-traditional date (hiking, picnic, etc), there's a good chance they're interested in not spending gobs of money.

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Be warned that some guys might think you are materialistic if you ask them what kind of car they drive.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/tbuzt/men_of_reddit_how_do_you_guys_determine_that_a/

[–]pentium4borg 1 point2 points ago

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Ask the guy what kind of car he drives. [...] Something used with good gas mileage and low maintenance costs? Frugal, baby!

My vehicle fits all listed criteria, except I bought it new.

[–]dzack 2 points3 points ago

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Bicyclists, represent!

Where do you get something like those baskets you have on the back?

(I'm not sure what they're actually called.)

[–]pentium4borg 2 points3 points ago

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Yeah, they're collapsible grocery baskets. I got them on Amazon. Google for "Wald 582."

[–]mobiuschick[S] 1 point2 points ago

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That is my favourite kind of car! bites tire

[–]mobiuschick[S] 0 points1 point ago

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This is all beautiful, and a great way to avoid gold-digger type direct questions. Thank you. :)

[–]likegermanywithatee 0 points1 point ago

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I guess you could discuss your frugal spending habits. My boy knows I can spot a good deal and that I am way into comparison shopping. I have kept us fed for a week on fifteen dollars.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 4 points5 points ago

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I try to do this, but I think I've stumbled on a couple guys who have thought, "Yes! She's frugal and doesn't want things, so I can blow all my money on totally selfish things!" And then they do. :/

$15/week for two people = Frugal goddess! :)

[–]Valokai 0 points1 point ago

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I think getting out and doing things that really promote that you're that kind of person is the way to go. I've found the crowd of frugal people are the types of people who are going to go out and get involved in environmental groups, sustainability groups, etc. So if you can find things like that around your area that would be a good start.

It's something I've been thinking about a lot recently too, although I'm still too young to want to get into anything serious (I'm only 19, and while I'm sure serious stuff can happen at 19 and go fine, I'm thinking not yet). I have never actually dated in my life, and while that's for a couple reasons, the main one is that I would much rather find a like-minded person. I'm not big into doing traditional things like going out to the movies for a date or something so I need to find someone who's excited when I say stuff like "Hey, let's pack a picnic lunch and go climb that mountain for a date".

And I think I have a perfect plan, too! One that you could probably use to success as well. We have a very thriving farmer's market here, and I have always been big on baking, so I am planning this year to start getting a stall there regularly and selling. The amount of people that would put you in contact with is great, just because you'd be talking to so many customers (and non-customers even) each day, and a ton of the people who go to farmer's markets are the type of people who'd fit in splendidly here at frugal.

Anyway, good luck in your search!

[–]mobiuschick[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Farmer's market! Great idea! And thanks for the good luck wish!

[–]upandtill 0 points1 point ago

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I feel like I'm looking at a math test question, and the answer is D) Not enough information. You said you had more than one "significant" relationship fall apart because of your partner's "crazy" spending habits. Can you elaborate? Give specific examples of the crazy behaviors and so called "delusions" of these people, because I suspect that either one of two things are happening here: A) you keep hooking up with the wrong personality type, or B) your preoccupation with protecting your finances is actually really more of an obsession that is causing your relationships to crumble. Hopefully it's the first, because that's an easier fix, but we need more details before we can help you.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I completely admit that some spending habits that most people see as "normal" are "crazy" to me. Financing a car, for example, just seems nuts to me: buy what you can afford! Buying an unnecessary item when it means you can't afford rent seems crazy, but my own experience with people who rent rooms from me tells me that's not terribly uncommon.

Essentially, I'm on one end of the frugality spectrum, and I'd like to be with someone who's similar to me.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Also, I elaborate elsewhere in this thread. I just didn't want a wall of text, as I think my problem wasn't as important as other people's solutions.

[–]patefoisgras 0 points1 point ago

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Uh, I personally think that would be going about it the wrong way. You choose a frugal lifestyle to enhance the life you share with your SO, not choose a SO to match your frugal needs.

[–]lux44 -1 points0 points ago

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Try traveling to some poorer countries and find a SO there. Quite a popular trend I would say. I live in a ex-Soviet country and frugal lifestyle is alive and well. Local women tend to prefer richer foreigners anyway: more opportunities for kids and all that. To ease your planning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

[–]TrueEvenIfUdenyIt 13 points14 points ago

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I think they want rich foreigners so they can stop being frugal.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 3 points4 points ago

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This is an interesting idea. I live in a particularly oil-rich part of Canada, so most of the people around here are quite materialistic; I may have to get out of this environment to find someone who thinks libraries and financial planning are better than trucks and bigger trucks. :)

[–]animebling 0 points1 point ago

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Another Calgarian?

[–]mobiuschick[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Edmonton, and I work near Fort Mac. I'm frugally doomed! :)

[–]thebeegirl -1 points0 points ago

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Well, look at the girl. If she has fake nails, fancy clothes and dyed hair she MAY not be frugal. Those things are expensive (usually unless you do it all yourself).
I seriously like to get wooed when I am dating but that doesnt mean expensive restaurants but NOT McDonalds. I expect someone to be thoughtful and taking me great places (and I of course, do the same).

There was just a discussion about weddings. People were takling about how expensive weddings are. They are talking about 30,000 for a wedding. If my husband talked like that I would think he was a lunatic. (We had AN awesome wedding for 9ishK and well, we are pretty comfortable financially)

Look for red flags. Do they depend on their parents for help?? Drive a car a bit nicer that they can afford? Really it's all about living with in your means.

I'm older than most redditors so I have seen a lot of marriages and divorces. It's crazy how a lot of men date these high maintenance women then are shocked when they are going for facials and NEED Coach bags. Oh yeah, there is one. There's an indicator. Not foolproof but fancy bags are a tip off!

[–]cjfrench 2 points3 points ago

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Unless you bought that Coach bag at the thrift store for $12. It's the only way I'll buy designer stuff.

[–]mobiuschick[S] 2 points3 points ago

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non confrontational tone, just curious: How come you assumed I was a man? (My username IS pretty feminine.)

[–]thebeegirl 0 points1 point ago

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Funny. I read the post wondering. And then something made me think it was a dude... maybe. Maybe I was just thinking of the audience. But interesting. We just asked my 3 boys the"I cant operate on this boy, it's my son" riddle and talked about assuming it was a man. Today! Maybe I have to think about my own prejudices!

[–]mobiuschick[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks for the explanation! My work situation has forced me to develop a less feminine persona, so I think that might spill over into my writing somehow. :)

[–]fluffykittie 1 point2 points ago

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I have a fancy bag, but my best friend sent it to me as a gift. My other bags are all 2nd hand thrift store ones. So, not always a tip - as you said :)

[–]NaziNigger -3 points-2 points ago

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Concentration camps?