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[–]wilson007 2 points3 points ago

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Do you need the rear seats? If not, I'd still go with the 370z.

[–]YeahSureBuddy 4 points5 points ago

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Yeah, I too would go with the car that, cost more, is less practical, doesn't perform better, comes with less standards, has half the warranty, and is overall a less bang for buck.

[–]happypig 0 points1 point ago

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you would? or wouldn't go with the gensis??

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago

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He's being sarcastic. The 370z is a piece of shit. The gen coupe blows it out of the water. Except the older turbo, which is far too slow.

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago

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Why? Because of the huge blind spot? The horrible aesthetics? The huge price tag? The super stiff clutch which makes it almost undriveable? The auto rev match which ruins the driving experience? Or the useless technology like push to start and auto level auto on HIDs?

The 370 isn't a sports car. It's an infiniti coupe, and it's terrible.

[–]TheOtherMagician2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track 2 points3 points ago

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I drive a 2011 3.8 Track and honestly I have not one complaint. The backseat isn't terribly uncomfortable (for my 5'2" girlfriend). Most of the complaints I've read about the car are in regards to the super stiff suspension. All I can say about it is that I thoroughly enjoy every drive I take with the car. You feel almost everything, which while to some may be a burden, to me its a blessing. I checked out the 2013's at the NY auto show this year. It's definitely really nice, theres no doubt. The only concern I have is the placement of the iPod jack/Key charger. My Key charger is located at the bottom of the center console, and my iPod cable is in the center glovebox so I can leave my iPod hooked up and hidden. The 2013 switches this setup, so your key is hidden -and a nuisance to pop in and out- and your iPod wire lets your iPod hand freely right by your gear selector. Not fun. As for turbo or 3.8? I say 3.8 all the way. The turbo gets great mileage and is quieter if thats what you're going for. But the 3.8 has a nice throaty roar, and honestly doesn't do bad on gas. Should you go 3.8, I'd definitely recommend the Track package. The Brembos alone make up for the extra cost, not to mention the bigger rims, spoiler, new suspension, new strut bar, etc. The features are certainly worth the money. Yes, the new Genesis has a nice horsepower bump, but I think the 2012 has got it right. All in all, no matter which model you get, enjoy it :) It's a gorgeous car and after almost a full year of ownership it still gives me chills and a giddy smile to punch the gas and hear her roar. Best of luck :)

[–]ubersophWRB BRZ 1 point2 points ago

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Drive it for feel.

When I test drove one it seemed to do everything right, but it didn't quite click with me. I had more fun with the Mini Cooper S I test drove.

Either one should be a great car though.

[–]PleadingBark240z 1 point2 points ago

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Just watch out, they are depreciating like rocks.

[–]Doug8760 0 points1 point ago

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yes, as someone who used to work for Hyundai and is still in the auto industry, you are correct.

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago

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Interesting. I'll have to look into this as I've always wanted one.

[–]iconfuseyouGenesis Coupe 3.8 '10 1 point2 points ago

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Don't. As a genesis owner... all it has is power.

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago*

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You either bought the wrong trim level or the wrong transmission then. The 3.8 r spec is a blast to drive. puts the 350 / 370Z to shame. Instead of bashing your own car, tell the OP exactly what you don't like about it and why that didn't show up immediately in either pictures or a test drive.

[–]iconfuseyouGenesis Coupe 3.8 '10 0 points1 point ago

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I've already listed this out in a number of threads, and these are known problems with the gencoupes, but here we go again:

Acceleration sucks for its power. It pulls a 0-60 time in 5.5s, quarter at high 13 to low 14. The z coupe, for example, pulls a 0-60 time in 4.5s with a quarter in the low 13s.

6MT issues. Even with the new refresh they didn't fix it. There's constantly locking problems and grinding problems with the tranny. I've read some reviews that describe the tranny as "plastic-ey".

Stock suspension isn't great. I know the R-spec/Track versions have a tuned suspension, but the one on the base/GT model is kind of weak.

Quality sucks. The interior is mostly plastic. Most of the car is plastic. Window mechanisms leaves streaks on the windows. The buttons on the dash broke in less than a year. My car threw a CEL within 6 months.

I don't know how long you drove the gencoupe, but the novelty wore off real quickly. If I had to go though it again, I'd pay the 6k premium for a 370z. The Z is a full second or more faster, and is built better. Having the R-spec/track would give me better suspension, LSD, and brakes, but it wouldn't make it faster or fix the tranny issues.

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago

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The interior is acceptable for 25k car. My friends buttons aren't falling off. Did Hyundai fix any of this for you?

Amsoil 75-90 fixed the tranny issues.

5.5 seconds to 60 is not slow. Look at the BRZ/FRS. Speed isn't everything.

The CEL is covered by warranty.

Did I miss anything? You can see my thoughts on the 370 elsewhere in this post.

[–]iconfuseyouGenesis Coupe 3.8 '10 1 point2 points ago

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I saw your gripes about the 370z. The coupe has blind spots too, aesthetics is up to the owner, and I haven't heard about the rev match or clutch.

I have no idea why you gripe about push to start and auto-leveling. The gencoupe has push to start as well, that's a feature common to most cars.

Yes, warranty covers these problems, but it really shouldn't be an issue off the bat. Come to mind, these were the biggest things. There are a lot of finishing issues with the car as well (confirmed by Hyundai TSBs). Things like windows, body panels not lining up, hood not closing completely.

5.5s is not slow, but for the power to weight it shows issues with the tuning. When other cars can achieve much better acceleration than the coupe with a similar profile, Hyundai has no excuse to not refine their car.

Hyundai put a powerful engine in a RWD chassis. All it has going is the power and the low price tag. It really doesn't do anything better than any other car.

Honestly, the Z is only 4-6k more for the base model (depending on year of release). You get more luxury features for that price. It even outperforms the genesis coupe in every dimension (skidpad, slalom, acceleration, quarter mile).

In what way does the genesis coupe outperform the Z? The only thing it has going is a warranty and price.

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago

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The problem here is that there's two different 370Zs to compare. When the GC first launched, the 350Z hadn't yet been rolled into the 370. At that time, the 370Z was a pig, laden with way too much tech (what I was talking about earlier).

I'm sorry but tech = weight + price = the ruination of a sports car. A sports car does not need push to start, a mercedes with a lazy fat old man does. Weight spoils handling, acceleration, braking, geometry, polar moment, center of gravity, etc. EVERYTHING is ruined by weight. That's why I bought a Lotus :)

But it's not just the 370Z that I'm harsh to: I think Mazda has ruined the miata as well so my justice is equally applied here.

The coupe has minor blind spots, not nearly as bad as the 370z.

I will give you the quality issues. But those can be handled by Hyundai for free which at worst is an inconvenience. Personally it wouldn't put me off because it took a small korean car company to finally do what we petrol heads have been waiting years for in America: make a fast, simple, affordable, sports coupe. Why did it take a small korean car company to inspire toyota / subaru to build the BRZ / FRS?? Why wasn't it BMW, with all its sporting heritage? Why wasn't it Nissan or Mazda, with all their sporting heritage?

The line on the windows I will give you, but is easily cleaned up by a rag. The body panels not lining up is minor, but there, if you're really looking, sure. Hood completely closing is an easy fix by adjusting the rubber stoppers on the front of the hood or a washer or two on the brackets at the front of the engine bay.

I see the problems, I don't see how it makes the car not worth the price they are charging. My buddy walked out the door with a 3.8 R spec (with the non GDI engine), for $24995. And it has 306HP. That was not possible anywhere else and still isn't. It's an incredible feat and Hyundai should be awarded for it because the car is a blast to drive.

You couldn't compare the old gen couple to the old 370 because they were way to different in both design philosophy and price. In my opinion Nissan is ruining the legend of the Z car but maybe that's just me. If it doesn't affect the way you go through a corner, accelerate, or brake, or live with the car every day, it doesn't need to be in it at all. I'll end this thought by saying the sticker price on an old 370 was almost 40K, which paled in comparison as value per dollar to the old 3.8 R spec.

Now! There's a new R spec and a cheaper 370Z so the comparison is a bit tougher. I haven't driven the newer 370Z so I can't comment on it personally. However aesthetically I still prefer the GC, and don't like the look of the 370Z still. The new 3.8 R spec is 30K and the 370Z base is 32K. The GC offers: more power, better brakes, track suspension, better wheels, and a limited slip diff. How is this a competition? In every thing that matters to a sports car, the GC is better.

[–]iconfuseyouGenesis Coupe 3.8 '10 1 point2 points ago*

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Here's the thing, even if it offers less, the 370Z still outperforms the genesis coupe. Isn't the actual track performance what we're looking for, not the goodies?

At 350hp, the coupe still only pulls a 5.2s 0-60 and a 13.9 quarter mile. Motortrend complained about understeer. Slalom and skidpad still comes behind the 370z.

I don't care if it comes with better brakes and more power. It just doesn't deliver the results.

The sports package puts the 370z at 35k. It's only a 5k difference. And the 370z outperforms the genesis in every category.

And don't even give me the price. Subaru sets the mark for 25k. 25k will get you a new WRX, which has AWD, faster to 60, faster to the quarter mile, better handling, and far more track-worthy.

And I really don't believe that the genesis coupe was the impetus for the BR-Z. I've heard of the 86 concept way before the genesis coupe. Not to mention they're not even in the same category. The BRZ follows more in line with the S2000 or the miata then the power coupes.

In the end, the genesis gives you a lot for sub 30k, but still lacks a lot of refinement. If you want a track monster, the WRX is cheaper than the 3.8 and would eat it up the coupe, even with the new 2013 refresh. If you want a power coupe, the 370z is a bit more but also outshines the genesis coupe.

And since you're the one bringing up weight, remember, the genesis coupe weighs more than the 370z by about 100-200 pounds.

In the end, yes the genesis is a good deal for performance. But it's by no means better than a 370z on the track. Nor does it give you better bang for buck than say, a WRX.

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago

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No matter how hard I look I can't find the article on performance specs for the 370Z on motortrend. I found it for the GC: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1202_2013_hyundai_genesis_coupe_first_test/specs.html

Perhaps you can have more luck than me? I read about the understeer, but it's easy to dial in oversteer with the throttle so that shouldn't be a deal breaker. Annoying if you're new to the track, sure, but not a deal breaker.

As far as the WRX? It's boring and overplayed. Plus, it's definitely slower:

2012 Subaru Impreza 2.0L (Manual) 0-60 mph 8.5 Quarter Mile 16.4

Only the STI is faster, and by .3 seconds. Yes, it's faster, sure, but good luck getting its sluggish turbo AWD off the line repeatedly and reliability without destroying the clutch after 20,000 miles. Personally I don't think the WRX is a good comparison since it's AWD and 4 doors. Don't get me wrong, the WRX is brilliant. Just not a direct competitor for the GC or the 370 imo. 2011 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Sedan 0-60 mph 4.9 Quarter Mile 13.3

These are from: http://www.zeroto60times.com/Subaru-0-60-mph-Times.html

I'd be willing to concede the new 370 base is worth the 4-5K if you can find me the motortrend article.

[–]iconfuseyouGenesis Coupe 3.8 '10 1 point2 points ago

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You need to find better resources. That is the Impreza numbers, not the WRX.

Here are 370z numbers:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1103_2011_nissan_370z_touring_test/viewall.html 0-60 in 4.9s, quarter mile at 13.4 @ 105.2

http://www.insideline.com/nissan/370z/2009/comparison-test-2010-ford-mustang-gt-vs-2009-nissan-370z.html slalom at 72, skidpad at .94

WRX (non-STi) numbers:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/subaru-impreza-wrx-review-2011-subaru-wrx-test 0-60 in 5s, quarter in 13.7@100

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/impreza/2011/2011-subaru-impreza-wrx-sedan-full-test-and-video.html Slalom at 68.8, Skidpad at .9

Genesis 3.8 (2010):

http://www.insideline.com/mazda/mazdaspeed3/2010/comparison-test-2010-mazdaspeed-3-vs-2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-38.html 0-60 in 5.9s, quarter in 14.2 @ 98.2 Slalom at 67.2, Skidpad at .89

I hate to judge, but I'm beginning to think you haven't done thorough research on these cars. Hell you're the first person I know to reasonably give a 8 second time to a WRX (and assume it's correct).

Both the 370z and WRX have been known to get faster times unofficially. The genesis coupe was not known to break the 5.5s mark stock. Even in magazine numbers, the genesis coupe (pre-revision) is behind both the Z and the WRX. The WRX is the same price (now less) than the 3.8 R-spec, and is the best bang-for-buck at the moment, if you're looking for pure performance.

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago*

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Admittedly I've just never been interested in the WRX which is why when I couldn't find the 0-60 time in less than 5 minutes on the subaru website I just googled it and copy+pasted which lead to the incorrect 8 seconds you saw. As I said earlier, I respect it, but too many people own it for me to be interested in owning it myself so I'm not up on its specs as much as one might expect of someone who obsessively follows the car industry.

I did a fair bit of research 2 years ago as I was in the market for a sports car / coupe then. I test drove a miata, the THEN 370Z before the 350 was rolled into it, and the genesis coupe both 2.0 and 3.8. I was also considering the Lotus I have now and a Z3 M coupe but couldn't find an example of either to drive. Anyways.

I'll concede the WRX is definitely the best bang for the buck right now, that's easy to see, especially with the 3.8's recent price hike to almost 30K.

What I'm getting hung up on is that there was no 370Z back when I drove the 3.8 GC that was comparable to it. All the ones at the dealer were near 40K or higher and filled with luxuries that, while might be nice, don't add anything to the sports car experience. Similarly, the test drive was shitty since everyone at the dealership thought the 370Z was made of gold so I drove it all of .5 miles, had to have the salesman look at me and talk to me condescendingly for 20 minutes, and thus just didn't feel any enthusiasm about it when I saw the mediocre styling, blind spot, clutch, rev match problems.

However, later that same day I jumped into a 3.8 R spec at the dealer and got to drive it almost 5 miles with a chance to check out the handling, braking, do a little bit of drifting and rev matching. Finally, it had all the bare essentials: bluetooth and a steering wheel. So it was to me basically trying to compare a Nissan that should've been an Infiniti because of the price tag and attached tech to something simple like an older miata that still felt poised and great but had a much bigger engine. For what I look for in a car, the choice was a no brainer between the THEN GC and the THEN 370Z.

I was going to buy it but the funds didn't become available as fast as I'd liked so my very good friend bought it instead and I still drive it on and off to this day. However, he drives it everyday and even learned manual on it. He says it's the best purchase he's ever made in his life. When the funds did become available, I considered it heavily but figured I could just drive my friends whenever I want to which lead me to the miata. I considered that heavily but in the end decided it was just too heavy for me and narrowed it down to the Z3 Coupe and my Lotus Exige. Choosing between the two has been one of the hardest choices in my life haha and I'm determined to own a Z3 coupe before I die. Okay back on topic again!

I'll concede the new 370Z is a superior car according to the stats you link. However, as tested, they are reviewing a $40,000 car, and comparing it to the as tested only $30,000 2013 GC.

If the performance stats are comparable on the lower end 370Z to the Touring edition with optional extras as tested by motortrend, then I will concede that you've 100%. Until then, I'm going to hold out that the GC might still be the best bang for the buck of performance COUPES, if not the best bang for buck overall or the most well made performance coupe.

This has been a great discussion though, and I've learned a lot. Thanks for that.

[–]Csoltis 0 points1 point ago

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thanks for the input, i have a 2011 and i'm not impressed or delighted with the car after a year. i cant wait to get this thing out of lease.

[–]wallaby13MK5 Jetta TDI 1 point2 points ago

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Turbo, then turn the boost up. A buddy of mine has the previous generation 2.0T with a 19T turbo, piggy back ecu and is making around 380 whp. I can vouch for it, he even let me post process the data log so that I could check his numbers.

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago

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I second this if the OP is capable of saving up money on the side to mod it. If you're not into modding cars, or don't think you can save up money really well, then go with the 3.8, you won't be disappointed.

[–]RandomHero13b 0 points1 point ago

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I'd buy the turbo version, they respond pretty well to modifications.

[–]jb035672 Dodge Charger 79 Trans Am 0 points1 point ago

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I forget which but motortrend and some other reviews said one of the engines was junk, maybe the turbo 4.

[–]technocr4t 0 points1 point ago

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Keep in mind that the R-spec package (for either engine) does not include cruise control. I don't understand that either. I know, I know- racecar. But still.

Were it not for that omission, and the fact that most reviewers have called the GenCoupe "almost there" and have complained about the shift action (on both generations), I'd probably be looking at them too.

[–]Captain_Redonculus2009 Pontiac G5 XFE + '99 NB1 Miata[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Wow, really? That is a good thing to know.....I'm going to test drive both if they are available here in a few days, maybe this weekend. I've been through that before already, my last car was an auto version of my current car and it did not have cruise control, pretty lame. Thanks for that tip! I'll just have to see for myself.

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago

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The lack of cruise control isn't a big deal if you get the manual. The genesis coupe R-spec offers great track performance at a great price. You save a lot without the LED turn signals, the silly wing, the sunshine roof, and the navigation.

But you still get all the performance goodies: wheels, brakes, and suspension.

It's a hell of a bargain.

[–]Captain_Redonculus2009 Pontiac G5 XFE + '99 NB1 Miata[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Awww damn....so the R-Spec doesn't come with a sunroof or the LED signals? Bummer.....yeah it's awesome deal, but still those things are nice to have, I think anyway. And wait, the wing? Does the R-Spec not have a spoiler at all?

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago

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None. And it doesn't really need it frankly. I mean it doesn't hurt, because the car is RWD. But it looks super clean without the wing.

FYI all my knowledge is from the 2010 / 2011 models. I'm not 100% sure on the redesign as my friend owns a 2010 R-Spec.

[–]advocat3 0 points1 point ago

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Isn't the R-Spec manual only in the coupe? Makes cruise control kinda worthless. Not completely, but mostly.