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[–]_xtaold/married/cat lady 25 points26 points ago

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As a 36-year old, this gives me immense hope. My goals and dreams revolve around my career and traveling the world with my awesome partner. Having kids has never been in my vision of my life or myself. Many, many people in my life think I am making a huge mistake, but stories like this reassure me that I'm doing what I know is right and what is best for me. Thanks.

[–]Rabble_ArouserM/33/Anti-spermite 10 points11 points ago

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Ugh, I hate that, "you're making a mistake!" or "you'll change your mind and regret not having kids!"

Those arguments are so hollow. What if I have kids (a decision I can't ever take back, by the way) and I regret that?

The fact is, they can't tell the future, and neither can we. We can only make informed decisions after due consideration and hope for the best. Personally, I know that I don't want kids because I've analyzed what they potentially would do to my life; I've decided that it's not desirable (to put it mildly). Whether or not I regret it later is something I won't know until later. But then, all I have to do is look back at my decision making process, and the regrets will go away.

[–]Dolfan0925 8 points9 points ago

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In my experience the vast majority of those people did not sit down with each other and decide to have kids. I know one couple that knew they were going to have kids. Everyone else I know had them by accident and have made the best of it. They think it's the best thing ever, but go back before conception and give them a choice, and most will choose freedom.

[–]AxelPrimeLlama in disguise 21 points22 points ago

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Holy fuck were those my parents?

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[–]LakewaterHair 4 points5 points ago

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Very inspiring! Just out of curiosity, is your husband retiring completely? If so, do you think you would've been able to do this kind of thing with kids?

[–]redditnoob_toss 30 points31 points ago

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ORIGINAL POST (which I deleted from just above this, because I'm a dumbass):


We've been married almost 18 years. Kids were never on the agenda. This fall, my husband is quitting his job, and we're going to spend six weeks driving through Spain, France and Italy. We're in our early 40's and we're thrilled that we can enjoy ourselves without the financial/familial burdens that most of our peers are dealing with.


...Then, um, insert LakewaterHair's response here...


Yeah, full-on retiring! in fourteen weeks!

If anyone's reading this who's not sure if they want to go all the way and get a Vasectomy or Tubal Ligation (or Essure, etc, etc.) here's some food for thought:

It's about money and free-time. We live pretty frugally, it's true, but because when we want to splurge, we go big.

  • We paid off both our cars early, and take good care of them.
  • We saved up for 8 years, and we own - as in "no mortgage" - our dreamhouse: 1600 sq ft, with only one bedroom ;-) .
  • We've been saving again, since that got finished, and now we've got a nice nest egg. We estimate our future living expenses to be under $800/mo, (property taxes, food, utilities, gasoline, etc... That spreadsheet is a work of art.)
  • we avoid paying interest as much as we can. I had college loans (once in '92's and again in '03) but both were paid off early. We have no credit card debt, no car loans, no mortgage, and no personal debts.
  • There's no way we could do afford to do either the extended Europe trip or the job-quitting if we had kids.

And before anyone says how "lucky" we are, my husband never earned a degree, and worked his way up from "gopher" to Sr. Director over a 25-year career. He'd be on track for VP if he stayed.

So, that was the money part: This is the free-time part: I work for myself, but it's freelance. I don't earn any regular, steady income. I clear just over $2k/month after taxes. We BOTH made a choice that my job wouldn't be full-time, so I take care of the house, and our dogs, and I take care of us. We don't go to PTA meetings. We don't shuttle kids to & from sports. We don't spend time helping with busy-work homework or rehearsing for school plays or any of the other stuff we hear our nieces & nephews need to do before and after school. (and back to the money, no braces for their teeth, no fortune spent on prom, no saving up for college...)

Someone already downvoted my original post, and it's likely that if anyone reads this they'll downvote it too... but I'm not writing this to brag, and I'm not writing for karma, I'm writing because it's another way for people to see what life without kids can be like. Not having kids was a choice we made because we want to live OUR OWN LIVES and not be enslaved to kids.

[–]LakewaterHair 2 points3 points ago

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Thank you for the detailed answer! It's very inspiring, I can't even imagine what it must be like to retire in your early 40's! Congratulations to you both :)

[–]orangepostit9 1 point2 points ago

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For what it's worth, I really appreciate this post! It's inspiring and a good glimpse into the future. I don't know any CF couples in "real" life, so I have to take every nugget I can get from online. This is definitely helpful because it shows me that the picture in my head of the future isn't fiction. Thank you!

[–]redditnoob_toss 1 point2 points ago

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thanks. I don't know very many CF couples either. Even the holdouts who were childless at 35 eventually had own kids or adopted.

and you know what? they were too busy to be friends with us anymore. It was sad. I tried to keep the relationships alive, but you can only deal with folks with that mentality until a certain point until you just give up trying. It was sad, and i really mourned losing my friends.

Anyway, I expected to be blue-arrowed to oblivion for what probably sounds like "bragging", but I appreciate your saying that. <3

[–]stadababa 16 points17 points ago

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Aging as a childfree person is nothing to fear! If anything, it gets easier to be CF as you get older, especially if you're a woman.

Now that I'm 44, I know where all my peers stand. I'm the only one of my high school friends who didn't have kids, and my grade school BFF just became a grandmother. Once egg rot sets in, sweet vindication for every "you'll change your mind" is yours.

Fellow CFers become much easier to spot when you're 40-50+, and you don't have to worry about baby rabies setting in just when you've found someone really cool to hike or jam with. Also, all the CF people I know have very "young" mindsets. DH and I waterski with a couple in their early 60's whose skills and endurance whip us every time.

It's absolutely, definitely worth it :)

[–]duktapebraDINK 4 points5 points ago

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Upvote for "Baby rabies"!

[–]catluver12781291 11 points12 points ago

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When I was in high school my friend and I were talking about if we plan to have kids later on. Of course I said no. This older gentlemen who worked at the school started to tell me about how he has no children. He told me that not having children was the best decision of his life. He said that all his wife and him "fight" about is who is going to clean the dishes that night.

[–]TN_atheist-throwaway 9 points10 points ago

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You know how we fight about money? When we go on vacation, my husband wants to stay in nicer hotels than I do, and is urging me to spend a little more. I want to eat in nicer restaurants than he does, and I'm reminding him that there are 3 meals a day, we can eat cheap for bkfst & lunch, but dinners are an event, for me.

[–]zaxonortesus 8 points9 points ago

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There is a couple that we run into at our regular bar that's older, late 50's, childfree, and they spend a month or two on the southern Spanish coast every year. When we run into each other, we sit and share stories of travel and adventure, I get that same impression from them as you seem to have got on this trip. I have no doubt that we are making the right choice for us. Cool story.

[–]Duckylicious 10 points11 points ago

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Preach it. My great aunt was 86 when she passed away in 1998, and she'd never been married or had children. When she passed, her partner/boyfriend had to cancel 3 trips to various places across the world they'd already planned and booked for that year. Unfulfilled my ass.

[–]Arggghhhhhhh 0 points1 point ago

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But my question is, once your aunt was gone, who did her partner have in his life? Was he lonely now that his partner was gone and they have no kids? This is my fear about not having kids. :(

[–]Duckylicious 2 points3 points ago

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I honestly don't know - I had no contact to the man. But consider this:

  • They were out and about. Doing stuff. Lots of stuff. A lot of their traveling was done in groups, and they probably had a good social network back home as well. This is speculation, but I'd say he probably had people to hang out with.

  • Who says your kids would be around? Would it really help the loneliness all that much to talk to them on the phone once a week?

Edit for formatting herpderp.

[–]duktapebraDINK 9 points10 points ago

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I had a touching moment with a colleague I like the other day. I look up to her as a 50-something woman who works hard in the man's world of science. As we talked about how I was married and didn't have kids I braced for the attack, only to learn her and her husband are childfree and so happy and fulfilled. It was a bright spot in my day filled with pregnancy stories and babies.

[–]cccrazy 2 points3 points ago

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I braced for the attack

That is so sad, yet so common. It's wonderful when the attack never comes.

[–]shoryukenist35/M/married 4 points5 points ago

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Awesome! btw, I rafted that as well (paddled , no powerboats). From Bright Angel for 8 days. Did Lava Falls in a flash flood and got tossed and a concussion on Hermit the first day. It was amazing.

[–]AllDesperadoStation 4 points5 points ago

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A local theater has urinals similar to these. It's filled with ice so when you pee the heat of the urine melts the ice and it use that water to help drain the urine.

[–]ElementZero26/F/OH-USA/Single w/ a dog 2 points3 points ago

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I think you are posting on the wrong thread/subreddit.

[–]Princess_By_DayYou had me at "I got a vasectomy" 3 points4 points ago

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I was so confused trying to figure out where this came from.

[–]Erimenes 8 points9 points ago

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Woohoo for my future! I like stories like this one!

[–]antlion 3 points4 points ago

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Thanks for sharing, I'd love to see more posts like this here!

[–]sporkafunk 8 points9 points ago

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May I point out something? Perhaps people with little to no imagination have children because they don't think they can have, or don't think of having, adventures.

People who insist you won't be happy without children are shortsighted (in my experience).

[–]LakewaterHair 5 points6 points ago

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I think for a lot of people, starting a family is a thrilling experience. The same way I thrive on wanting to see the world, they dream of nurturing little ones. I kind of get it, I absolutely adore kids so I can see why it could be alluring, but I would never want my own.

I really do think they look at us and think we're missing out, the same way we look at them and think they're missing out.

[–]steven777400 2 points3 points ago

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Thank you for posting this. This kind of thing helps a lot when I mostly only hear the other side.

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[–]DownhillYardSale 1 point2 points ago

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You are most definitely not alone. Children aren't a bargaining chip and they aren't an afterthought - at least, they shouldn't be.

[–]squeeze_me_macaroni 3 points4 points ago

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What a great post!

I was expecting another rage induced rant and I was positively surprised.

[–]orangepostit9 1 point2 points ago

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I want to know what company you booked the trip with! It sounds wonderful.

[–]Eskaban[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Canyon Explorations/Expeditions, who I would highly recommend.

[–]Trexxa 0 points1 point ago

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Life is full of choices and once you make a choice you must live with the consequences. It is YOU that makes yourself happy or sad.

Being CF is a wonderful adventure that you can enjoy. The world is yours for the taking. You decide what you want and go for it. More people need to live by following their hearts.

Having a child doesn't make you a whole person. You make yourself a whole person by following your passions and doing what you want.

Have fun and enjoy.

[–]DrCharme 0 points1 point ago

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"I just never pictured myself as having children. I simply didn't ever imagine that being part of my life."

exactly that, but it's a rather complex concept to explain to your friend and family

[–]ahora -2 points-1 points ago

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All of these older people were exceptionally healthy, happy, and had spent a life's worth of vacations traveling the world and having amazing adventures.

Or just that seemed.

and to do things people with kids could never do.

Well, this can be in both ways.