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Which is proper: "this is a picture of my friend and me," or "this is a picture of me and my friend"? (self.grammar)
submitted 11 months ago by [deleted]
Also while we're at it, should the question mark in the title be inside of the quotation marks?
[–]taa 7 points8 points9 points 11 months ago
Both are correct, and the question mark is in the right place. The question mark would only go inside the quotation marks if the quoted material itself contained a question.
[–]osskid 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago*
It's important to note that in strict or professional environments, personal pronouns that refer to yourself come last. This also sounds wrong to fewer ears.
Where the question mark comes is a matter of style, though codified styles. British vs American English, and MLA va APA suggest different things.
[Edit: Typos]
[–]Twyll 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
It's generally considered polite to place other people before yourself, so while both are grammatically correct, it's better to go with the first way. Like holding the door open for people walking behind you-- you don't HAVE to do it, but it's nice, and people might think you're a little rude if you don't.
Whether or not you place the question mark within the quotes depends on whether you're speaking American English or British English. American English places all punctuation inside the quotation marks even if the punctuation is not part of the quote, while British English places non-quote-related punctuation outside the quotation marks.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Thanks for your response. Does this mean my comma should be outside of the quotation marks as well?
[–]pursuitofawesome -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 months ago
in american usage, yes
[–]paolog 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
In British usage, yes; in American usage, no, as Twyll explained.
[–]pursuitofawesome 3 points4 points5 points 11 months ago
oh, i misread his question. thanks.
[–]krangksh 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
As my dad always used to tell me, the donkey comes first.
[–]0xffff0 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Er, my understanding of American grammar is that periods and commas always go inside, while question marks and exclamation points go inside or outside depending on whether or not they are part of the quoted material.
[–]Gemini6Ice 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Both are grammatically correct. The order is a matter of style. I like "me and my friend," but it is personal taste. I order my subjects 321 and my objects 123.
[–]paolog 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Those numbers refer to grammatical persons, right? In other words, "he/she/it" first, then "you", then "I" (or the objective forms thereof).
[–]Gemini6Ice 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago
Yep, I was referring to third person (he/she/it/other nouns), second person(you/y'all/youse), and first person(I/we), but I was feeling too lazy to type them out entirely. Sorry for any confusion!
As examples:
"My dog, you, and I will go for a car ride later."
and
"The bomb will probably kill me, you, and your mother."
[–]mship -12 points-11 points-10 points 11 months ago*
I always remember be taught that it as "This is a picture of my friend and I." I remember being taught you should not say friend and me because me is not "proper". ?
[–]most_superlative 2 points3 points4 points 11 months ago
To tell which you should use, get rid of the other person. You'd say "this is a picture of me," and so "this is a picture of my friend and me." On the flip side, you'd say "what do you think I should do?" so it's "what do you think my friend and I should do?"
[–]Gemini6Ice 8 points9 points10 points 11 months ago
Incorrect. "I" is the subjective case; "me" is the objective case. When you say things like "Between you and I," you sound like a pretentious moron and demonstrate that you don't know correct grammar at all. I think saying "I" when you should say "me" is far worse than the other way around.
[–][deleted] 11 months ago
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[–]Gemini6Ice 0 points1 point2 points 11 months ago*
I did not call the above commenter a pretentious moron. I stated that such grammatical choices makes a person sound like one. While we're at it, incorrectly using "whom" when "who" is correct is another such mistake. (You did not do this mistake, but I am pointing it out to you in advance.)
The above commenter did not "think about it" and come to a mistaken conclusion; he plainly stated that he chooses his words over what sounds more "proper." That is, he is attempting to maintain an air of high class. Such behavior fits the definition of pretense.
This issue is covered on the sidebar on the right.
[–]pr0g3rint -1 points0 points1 point 11 months ago
"Between you and I" vs. "between you and me" is, in my opinion, the worst example you could have used. Unlike the example provided by OP, you can't use the trick of excluding the other person in a sample sentence.
P.S. You are the one who sounds like a pretentious moron.
[–]mpavlofsky 1 point2 points3 points 11 months ago
Apologies for the downvotes. A simple way to determine me/I in these cases is to remove the other subject/object. In this case, drop "my friend" from the sentence. Which is more correct: "This is a picture of me" or "This is a picture of I"? Obviously, 'I' is out of place here.
Ninja edit: most_superlative beat me to the punch. Well done, sir.
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