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WWDC 2012 - live updates/coverage - click me! (self.iphone)

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LAST UPDATED: 2:54 PM (eastern time) - that's a wrap. WWDC 2012 has come to a close. Thanks everyone, and I hope you enjoyed what I have done below.

This list was created by noswagg and was constantly being updated as WWDC was happening. If anything is missing, I'm only human. You're welcome.

WWDC 2012

iOS

  • iOS 6.
  • More than 200 new new features.
  • Siri knows sports, restaurants, movies/actors & how to launch apps.
  • Integration with cars for Siri with "Eyes Free" - car manufactures agreeing to incorporate "Eyes Free" to models.
  • Adding languages for Siri: French, Spanish, Korean, Mandarin, & Cantonese.
  • Siri for the new iPad.
  • Facebook integration on iOS 6.
  • Facebook & Twitter integration for Notification Center.
  • Amazing new enhancements for Phone app.
  • FaceTime over cellular data connection, no more Wi-Fi only.
  • iMessages can be replied to from mobile device, or MacBook.
  • Upload photos in Safari to websites, no more app only uploading.
  • Share Photo Streams.
  • Comment on photos.
  • Mail enhancements.
  • VIP for email (select notifications for only specific contacts), "pull to refresh", upload photos & videos while composing email.
  • New app called Passbook, store all passes in 1 app.
  • If you have a pass for a movie theater within the app, once you arrive to the theater, you can simply slide to unlock and it will go directly to that ticket.
  • New accessibility options.
  • New Maps, built from the ground up. Google has officially been eliminated for iOS. New Maps icon, and tons of new features such as traffic reports, reviews & more.
  • MAPS NOW HAS TURN-BY-TURN NAVIGATION.
  • Siri integration for Maps.
  • Redesigned App Store and new features on other apps.
  • BETA OF iOS 6 IS AVAILABLE TO DEVELOPERS TODAY
  • iOS 6 WILL SHIP THIS FALL
  • Will support iPhone 3G S and later.

iPad

  • Siri for new iPad (already mentioned in iOS 6 section).

MacBook Air/Pro

  • 3rd gen core also known as Ivy Bridge.
  • USB 3.0
  • 512 GB of flash storage.
  • Up to 2x faster.
  • 720p camera & HD FaceTime.
  • 13-inch MacBook Air - pic of specs for the 2 new MacBook sizes http://cdn.arstechnica.net/liveblog-images/5584e6476930d8a03a2fee1a09c11ad8.JPG
  • NEW MacBook Pro
  • Retina display on new MacBook Pro.
  • Ultra thin. 0.71 inches thin - almost as thin as a MacBook Air.
  • 15.4 inches across, 5,184,000 pixels total.
  • Ships with OS X Lion.
  • Everything has been updated for Retina display and Lion, iMovie, Mail, Safari, iPhoto, etc.
  • Fasted quad-core processor - up to 2.7GHz.
  • Up to 7 hours battery life, 30 days standby.
  • Ports for SD, HDMI, USB 3.0 & 2.0, 2 thunderbolt slots, headphones.
  • Awesome lighted keyboard so you can work all night.
  • Dual microphones, HD FaceTime, stereo speakers.
  • High performance, yet portable.
  • STARTS SHIPPING TODAY

Mac OS X

  • Mac OS X Mountain Lion.
  • Over 200 new features.
  • iCloud, Messages (iMessage for Mac), Reminders, & Notes, integration for document-based applications. Safari has new features... some features taken from Google Chrome. Easier tab viewing.
  • "Beautiful new glass dock".
  • Dictation.
  • Notifications / Notification Center.
  • New Power Nap feature - fetches email, photo stream, downloads updates & does back up while you're not using the Mac/sleeping.
  • GameCenter.
  • More features for China.
  • $19.99 for Mountain Lion, anyone attending WWDC get it for free.
  • Starts shipping next month.

Important Links

official Apple WWDC website - link

watch the WWDC 2012 keynote - link

follow @ToxicDevTeam on Twitter.

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[–]cocothecat11 39 points40 points ago

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Fuck Yes! 3GS users high five!

[–]h8mx 13 points14 points ago

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iPad 1 users left out :(

[–]jakebluu 3 points4 points ago

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Us iPad 1 owners can't get iOS6?

[–]h8mx 1 point2 points ago

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Nope, it's just iPhone 3GS and up and iPads 2nd gen and up :(

[–]jakebluu 4 points5 points ago

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MOTHERFUCK!

[–]cocothecat11 4 points5 points ago

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So so sorry :(

[–]h8mx 7 points8 points ago

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Not your fault :)

It just bugs me that Apple would leave out the iPad 1 when it was launched a year later than the 3GS, but oh well, at least I can still enjoy the hell out of turn-by-turn navigation on my 3GS, so not everything's bad.

[–]sensenomake 12 points13 points ago

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Probably since they still sell the 3GS, but not the iPad 1.

[–]Agentsmith2011 3 points4 points ago

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I read that turn by turn requires 4s or iPad and newer....

[–]cocothecat11 2 points3 points ago

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I'm sure we can also get all the features apple leaves out in a jailbreak thing or some ISPW.

[–]h8mx 2 points3 points ago

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I sure hope so, I must say I was really hoping for more than just two years of software support for the iPad. Oh well.

[–]TallestSkil 5 points6 points ago

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First-gen iPad users have had barely a year of software support.

You could buy a first-gen only 15 months ago, remember.

[–]h8mx 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah, I was counting from the release date, but you're right, I actually bought mine when the iPad 2 was released to save some cash.

[–]hollowgram 0 points1 point ago

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Unbeknownst to h8mx, cocothecat11 was in charge of that decision in Apple.

[–]pibroch 1 point2 points ago

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Likely there will be features unavailable for 3GS and maybe 4... since the new iPhone will come with iOS 6 and the 3GS will be 3 generations old...

[–]cocothecat11 2 points3 points ago

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But...but... Jail breaking..

[–]Wickk -1 points0 points ago

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We're still not getting Siri, unless we jailbreak( which really everyone should anyway ), and open ourselves up to the multitude of security vulnerabilities that come with Spire.

[–]SpongederpSquarefapiPod Touch 4G 0 points1 point ago

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Muscle Nerd almost has a downgrade for iPad BB 06.15.00 people. Double high five!

[–]caledones 13 points14 points ago

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All these shiny things that I'm never going to be able to afford...

Shut up and take m-, oh...

[–]NewShinyCD 31 points32 points ago

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Shut up and take my credit card.

[–]Coconuts_Migrate 14 points15 points ago

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The American dream!

[–]Thereal_Sandman 14 points15 points ago

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OMG Apple finally listened!!!

On the phone front, Apple is adding a feature that several other phones have added in the past: text replies right from the call screen, so that you can immediately text back if you can't take a call — you can select from a list of prewritten messages at the time of rejection. A new Do Not Disturb mode allows you to completely turn off incoming calls and messages on a schedule of your choosing and whitelist certain people — interestingly, you can also set it up so that if someone calls twice within a set period of time, the second call will come through.

[–]Mybrainmelts 3 points4 points ago

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oh shit, they are implementing some of Bitesms's features. that's neat.

[–]tommy2sticks 1 point2 points ago

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This was my favorite announcement for iOS 6 today.

[–]Brandaman 0 points1 point ago

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That's pretty sweet.

[–]retrospects 25 points26 points ago

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SHUT UP AND TAKE THE MONEY I DON'T HAVE YET MBP!

[–]hookguy 0 points1 point ago

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Still obscenely expensive for the specs, though I didn't expect that to change

[–]latino_steak_knife 7 points8 points ago

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It's not all about the specs. For all the R&D that went into the new thin MBP I'd say it's pretty fair.

[–]hookguy 3 points4 points ago

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True, apple are all about premium products. I suppose they did lower the price of the air, which is good. But to me laptops are too fragile to spent such a huge amount on. I normally buy a good desktop and an average laptop for word processing on the go and it turns out cheaper than the lowest price MacBook.

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[–]jlt6666 1 point2 points ago

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Also the MacBook Pro's aren't nearly as fragile as other laptops.

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    [–]mattsgotredhair 0 points1 point ago

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    Sounds like you don't need a MBP. If you were a video editor, that new MBP has things you've been wanting for years and all sorts of power and screen size that you'd really need. I'd willingly pay the 2200 for this one.

    [–]edem777 1 point2 points ago

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    In my opinion is not about the money, is more about the next generation of notebooks, the MBP w/retina display is the first of many to come next years, and in a year or two they will have a more affordable cost or specs that most of the people use (cause lets accept it, the spec of those machines are for photographers, designers etc etc). That Machine is the announcement of the new line of MBP's, is just the beginning. They will make a 15" or 13" MPB with specs for "average people" that will cost 1000-1200 that will replace the MBPs of today.

    [–]pizzafootbal 0 points1 point ago

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    Build quality, customer service, and novelty.

    [–]Treywarren 0 points1 point ago

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    Show me a laptop with similar specs, form factor and display for less...

    [–]hookguy 1 point2 points ago

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    Form factor isn't worth 1000 dollars.

    Examples, asus ultrabooks, new Lenovo think pads. All have similar/better specs for a lower price, not the retina display but that's pretty much unique to apple I'll give them that.

    [–]CntrldChaos 0 points1 point ago

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    I've been trying to find a comparable unit, I can't seem to find a laptop with similar specs let alone better specs.

    SSD at 256, 15", i7 processor seem to be the key pieces to focus on and ignoring the retina screen which is tough to get.

    Where are you seeing an Asus or Lenovo at 1k less?

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      [–]Cdif 8 points9 points ago

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      Aw, well I kind of wanted Siri. Oh well. iPhone 4 user wanders through a desolate city. Even the wind is gone

      [–]jakebluu 2 points3 points ago

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      The iPhone 4 won't get Siri?

      [–]Cdif 1 point2 points ago

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      Unless I read the above guide incorrectly, no, it won't. People have said it won't because the S in 4S stands for Siri. But the new iPad isn't called the iPadS so...

      [–]cbmuser 4 points5 points ago

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      The official reason why the old iPhone 4 won't get Siri is that it lacks a certain digital signal processor (DSP) that is present in the 4S model. It's supposed to assist the CPU when processing the voice data and speeding up recognition.

      PS: I don't think the "S" is an official acronym for Siri, they just took over their from the 3G->3GS update, where the "S" supposed to stand for speed.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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      Err... Siri apparently works just fine on a jailbroken 4 so long as one jumps through some ridiculous hoops to get past Apple's authentication system.

      My girlfriend bought a 4 less than a year ago when it was the latest announced model. Apparently, it's now too obsolete to even do navigation.

      [–]cbmuser 0 points1 point ago

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      Don't get me wrong, it's not that I'm not upset either. I have an iPhone 4 as well and I'm neither getting Siri nor turn-by-turn navigation.

      But I know that Apple sets high quality standards and if they figured out that Siri doesn't work pleasently reliable and fast in all supported languages without the DSP, it's comprehensible they won't ship it on the 4.

      On the other hand, I can't think of a technical reason not to ship turn-by-turn navigation on the 4.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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      The voice recognition for Siri does not take place on the phone, but instead is done on Apple's servers. To the best of anyone's knowledge, the only thing keeping the iPhone 4 from running Siri just as well as the iPhone 4S is an authentication system on Apple's servers preventing the older phone from using the system; bypass that restriction in some way, and Siri works fine.

      See, for example, the first video on this page. This post explains some technical details, and this post describes a semi-legal if circuitous and impractical method of getting Siri to run on an iPhone 4.

      [–]cbmuser 1 point2 points ago

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      The voice recognition for Siri does not take place on the phone, but instead is done on Apple's servers.

      Is there a source for that? The fact is, the iPhone 4S does have an additional DSP and it is allegedly being used for voice processing.

      bypass that restriction in some way, and Siri works fine.

      Well, it works fine by standards of the few guys who tested it. But does it run fine for everyone? What about non-English languages? What about environments with loud background noise?

      I know these videos with demonstrations of Siri running on an iPhone 4 and the iPod touch 4th gen. However, from these it's hard to tell how good and reliable the overall performance of Siri on these devices is.

      [–]Cdif 1 point2 points ago

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      I'm pretty sure Apple has actually said that the S stands for Siri.

      That's odd. I had Siri before when it was actually an app. Worked great but I can see Apple does it differently.

      [–]cbmuser 0 points1 point ago

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      I'm pretty sure Apple has actually said that the S stands for Siri.

      Well, does it say so anywhere on their website?

      That's odd. I had Siri before when it was actually an app.

      I'm just repeating what experts had to say on the new A5 SOC found in the 4S.

      [–]Cdif 0 points1 point ago

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      Nah http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/05/29/cook-reveals-more-details-about-apples-product-naming-policies-and-yes-the-s-stands-for-siri/

      And thank you.

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        [–]RearmintSpino 0 points1 point ago

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        The S in the 4S definitely stands for Siri. Tim Cook confirmed this.

        [–]PortlandoCalrissian 0 points1 point ago

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        Not suprising, as Siri is one of the biggest reasons to get a 4S.

        [–]pizzafootbal 0 points1 point ago

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        If the iPhone 4 did get Siri, that would be one less reason to pay the extra money to get an iPhone 4S

        [–]edman1905 9 points10 points ago

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        Here are some liveblogs courtesy of connor_g in the other thread.

        http://live.gdgt.com/live-wwdc-2012-keynote-coverage/

        http://live.theverge.com/wwdc-2012-live-blog/

        http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/11/apple-wwdc-2012-liveblog/

        http://www.macrumorslive.com/

        [–]Flexo1 9 points10 points ago

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        Wow, that new Engadget live blog system is unreadable and truly horrid.

        [–]lemmiwinkles 4 points5 points ago

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        Yeah, I went there late expecting to be able to read and look at the pictures by scrolling up, but this new system keeps throwing me all over the place.

        [–]edman1905 4 points5 points ago

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        It really is. It's too bad, because I really enjoyed Tim's added dialogue. I started there but ended on The Verge.

        [–]ninjafoo 2 points3 points ago

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        Verge's coverage was pretty top notch.

        [–]gage006 1 point2 points ago

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        That's the one I watched and quite enjoyed. Just need to hit pause if you want to scroll around.

        [–]xmnstr 4 points5 points ago

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        Fasted quad-core processor - up to 2.7GHz.

        Give it something to eat, will you?

        [–]GravityInvert 4 points5 points ago

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        Will the new maps have a bus/subway mode like google? This is a huge feature for me.

        [–]squired 1 point2 points ago

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        Currently, it does not support public transit (bus/subway/rail), walking, or biking directions.

        [–]GravityInvert 1 point2 points ago

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        Ugh. Guess I'll be switching phones soon. A new OS should not be removing features just make it more shiny.

        [–]squired 1 point2 points ago

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        The hope is that Google will manage to get an app based Gmaps onto the phones in time for the update.

        No one knows if Apple will allow that though. I highly doubt even 5% of users would jump ship if the phone scrapped mapping entirely and Apple knows it. Here's to hoping though....

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          [–]Jasonberg -1 points0 points ago

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          I believe the Pro is, sadly, the end of computers.

          We have reached the back wall on the Pro. There is no more thinner, there is no more higher resolution, and any other changes (longer battery life, more RAM, more storage, etc.) are all just evolutionary changes.

          We have hit the back wall and the Pro is the sublime machine we have dreamed of for several decades and now, we're done.

          [–]dmanww 2 points3 points ago

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          I have a feeling it'll end up like cars. The technology will filter down and there will be very little functional difference between the low-mid and the high end.

          I think we're pretty close to that with desktops already.

          Also, why not iphone + dock = desktop for most people.

          [–]squired 0 points1 point ago

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          Desktop are a LONG way from being there. The differences between a $500 desktop and a $1500+ desktop are vast. SSD's, RAID arrays, muticore GPU's, i7's vs. i3's, etc.

          Not to mention cooling options, and efficiency and decibel ratings...

          [–]Etab 1 point2 points ago

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          I think we're close, but I think batteries need to evolve quite a bit yet. I dream of a time where a laptop can go a week or two before needing a charge.

          [–]ITripFatPpl 1 point2 points ago

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          For cellphones yes, laptops I'm good, the fact that I can go onto my university campus and be fine as long as I use my macbook for less than 8 hours is pretty phenomenal, coming from a dell that barley scraped over an hour (also while taking twice as long as the macbook to do things, at best) I'm perfectly happy. And everyone has a macbook, if I ever need it there's usually someone with a cable.

          [–]BlazedAndConfused 0 points1 point ago

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          give it time. MIT is ahead of the curve on lithiom ion battery advances. New materials are being tested now, and hopefully adding the tobacco virus will yield something around 13x longer battery life.

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            [–]Ikbentim 3 points4 points ago

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            No apps for the Apple TV?

            [–]pibroch 6 points7 points ago

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            Siri and Facebook right off the top on iOS demos? Doesn't bode well..

            [–]noswagg[S] 0 points1 point ago

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            probably saving the best for last, he was showing off Siri before Facebook integration though.

            [–]caledones 4 points5 points ago

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            I'm assuming when he said Siri for the new iPad he meant the one released earlier this year, and not a new one they're announcing?

            [–]Etab 1 point2 points ago

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            It's the current iPad, called "the new iPad". It seems they've stopped adding numbers to the iPad, similar to the Mac product line.

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              [–]nmpraveeniOS6 2 points3 points ago

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              Ars tech loaded up a separate server for this blog it seems.. http://s3.amazonaws.com/liveblogs/wwdc-keynote-2012/index.html

              [–]bit_inquisition 2 points3 points ago

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              No more One More Thing? Oh well maybe it's best to leave that behind as part of Jobs' legacy.

              [–]retinarow 2 points3 points ago

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              mail enhancements.

              Ha ha.

              [–]drunkonthelawn 3 points4 points ago

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              Bu...but...I wanted to see the iPhone 5!! Waaahh

              [–]ohmyashleyy 1 point2 points ago

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              So the 13" MBA and MBP are now the same prices. It looks like the MBP has a faster processor, but the MBA has a higher resolution... interesting. I think I'd probably go MBA if I were replacing mine.

              [–]noooonan 1 point2 points ago

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              MacRumorsLive is awesome right now.

              [–]Digit4lhero 11 points12 points ago

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              The verge is better.

              [–]Legendary_Hypocrite 1 point2 points ago

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              When is the update available?

              [–]hekati 3 points4 points ago

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              All the new hardware ships today, Mountain Lion next month, iOS6 this fall

              [–]noswagg[S] 0 points1 point ago

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              waiting to hear.

              [–]Goldwolf 1 point2 points ago

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              Canadian Siri/Map support? I wonder...

              [–]spirit_of_radio 0 points1 point ago

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              They said something about expanding local search from US only to include 60+ countries, and something about English and French for Canada. So, maybe?

              [–]VA1N 1 point2 points ago

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              Really looking forward to the iOS 6 changes. The maps and traffic stuff sounds really promising for the iPhone.

              [–]from_the_sidelines 1 point2 points ago

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              Hmmm. I'm guessing there's no way to mount a secondary drive now that the optical bay is gone. Do we know if the flash storage is baked-in or a discrete drive?

              [–]TrancePhreak 0 points1 point ago

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              apparently you cannot replace it

              [–]DJSchmitty 2 points3 points ago

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              and he's been caught

              [–]edman1905 2 points3 points ago

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              What happens for the rest of the week? These are all the announcements they plan to make, right?

              [–]hekati 3 points4 points ago

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              It's a Developer conference, so while we enjoy the keynote announcements, the conference focus is on developing for iOS and Mac OSX.

              [–]thecw 4 points5 points ago

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              NDA sessions for developers on all the shiny new APIs

              [–]Digit4lhero 0 points1 point ago

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              It seems like they didn't change anything on the lockscreen :(

              [–]Digit4lhero -4 points-3 points ago

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              Also: no widgets or live icons....

              [–]RarneyBubble 18 points19 points ago

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              It's not 2001.

              [–]TheAwakened 3 points4 points ago

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              Legit laughed. Upvote for you!

              [–]Velcrocore 1 point2 points ago

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              They'll still announce a couple new features, that will probably only be available on the next iPhone. It's how they roll.

              [–]rarisgod 6 points7 points ago

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              I don't see why everyone is craving this, IMO they just seem like battery hogs.

              [–]whiskeytab 1 point2 points ago

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              wow, how utterly underwhelming on the iOS side of things. don't get me wrong, the new macbook pro looks awesome, but iOS 6... what a giant letdown. there are still so many things that need to be added to iOS to keep it relevant and they've seemingly failed at that.

              [–]rarisgod 2 points3 points ago

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              Such as?

              [–]whiskeytab 6 points7 points ago

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              • UI overhaul, lets be honest, iOS is nice but its the same UI as the first iPhone
              • Widgets (Weather, iPod, Quick settings access, see DashboardX)
              • Ability to reply to an SMS/iMessage without opening the god damn messages app (see BiteSMS)
              • Better folders (this may or may not have been fixed in iOS 6, i haven't looked too deeply in to it)
              • Lockscreen information (see IntelliscreenX)
              • Better notification center, there is so much that could be done with it
              • Ability to remove the stock apps that aren't wanted (Newsstand, Stocks...)
              • Status Bar indicators... come on.
              • Different profiles for alerts (i.e setting it so on a workday it goes silent automatically according to your work hours and turns back on when you're done, stuff like that)
              • Being able to send voice notes, locations and contacts from within the messages app, not the ass-backwards way you have to do it at the moment
              • Being able to type in to siri and have it parsed the same way as the voice commands are, for times when you are somewhere quiet and don't want to be talking in to your phone.

              The main thing that annoys me is that most of these things have been added / fixed by the jailbreak community for years... on current hardware. There really isn't any excuse for apple not to add these things that people have literally been asking for for years.

              i've had an iPhone since the 3G first launched, but unless the iphone 5 is something really awesome then i'm most likely going to be moving away from iOS.

              [–]holymadness 4 points5 points ago

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              i've had an iPhone since the 3G first launched, but unless the iphone 5 is something really awesome then i'm most likely going to be moving away from iOS.

              Heard that one before. Enjoy leaving the most robust app ecosystem and best-supported smartphone platform for homescreen widgets.

              [–]HeinigerNZ 2 points3 points ago

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              best-supported

              And arbitrarily leaves out turn-by-turn navigation for the iPhone 4. The last two major iOS updates just feel like playing catch up on Apple's behalf. They have the reputation of being an innovator yet they are being left behind in both terms of software and hardware development. While I don't see myself as replacing my iPhone 4 anytime soon, if I had to do it today then it would be more than likely I'd be going with a Galaxy SIII or One-X. The iPhone 5 is going to have to be something pretty special to not just catch up, but overtake the top of the line Android offerings.

              [–]squired 1 point2 points ago

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              Especially seeing as a single Android handset, the Droid Maxx, is now outselling the iPhone on the nation's largest carrier, Verizon.

              It is starting to look like the old Mac v. Pc saga all over again.

              Apple needs to pull its head out of its ass and start innovating again. Playing catchup with Android and Microsoft isn't going to end well.

              [–]ionian 1 point2 points ago

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              I'm an Android fanboy, and really dislike the way Apple operates, but to be fair the iPhone launched last year, and the Droid Maxx.......

              Hold the phone - just went to look up the launch date on the Maxx, and it seems your point is fully valid.

              Carry on.

              [–]whiskeytab 0 points1 point ago

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              thanks for taking the time to pick apart my answer for one point and totally ignore the other points I brought up. widgets are one of the things I mentioned, not all of it.

              most of all I'm just disappointed because in the past they have made major upgrades to the OS with each version, this one, not so much.

              I love iPhones, like I said I've had one for 4 years, but I can't help but be scared that apple is becoming complacent.

              for an iPhone 4 user iOS 6 doesn't offer much. turn by turn navigation isn't even supported (seriously?! there have been apps that do this for years) and if they want me to upgrade they aren't doing a whole lot (as of today) to entice me.

              [–]hollowgram 1 point2 points ago

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              From a designer perspective there is absolutely no reason to go try and change the UI. It works, people know it and those who don't find it intuitive.

              Don't fix what isn't broken.

              [–]squired 0 points1 point ago

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              It is inefficient. Yes, it is easier for Grandma to use but that does not make it efficient.

              "From a designer perspective there is absolutely no reason" not to offer optional capabilities for advanced users.

              [–]hollowgram 0 points1 point ago

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              If you want "advanced" and feel so caged, jailbreak or go Android.

              [–]squired 0 points1 point ago

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              I did go Android. From BB to iOS to Android.

              I loved all the phones. For technical individuals though, Iphone built a better phone than BB at the time, and now Android has passed iOS.

              I was really looking forward to some sort of leap for the iPhone5. It doesn't look like that'll happen and with Android about to get another upgrade, Google seems to be leaving Apple behind. It'll be interesting to see how WP8 plays out though.

              [–]holymadness 0 points1 point ago

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              Why pick apart your argument when I can just talk to the big picture? You listed a bunch of quibbles, some legitimate and some not, to which my response is still: there is no better smartphone platform today than the iPhone and iOS, despite its shortcomings and flaws.

              Are you going to switch to Android and have your bloatware-infested operating system be obsolete in 6 months because carriers refuse to release updates? Are you going to switch to WP7 and lose out on tens of thousands of apps? Blackberry, maybe?

              I also own an iPhone 4 and am very annoyed that turn-by-turn navigation won't be supported. Hell, I'm annoyed that I don't have Siri. But I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face and switch to an inferior product as a result. These tactics to force obsolescence are admittedly frustrating, but your threats are about as convincing as all those people who declared they'd move to Canada if G.W. Bush won the presidency.

              [–]whiskeytab 3 points4 points ago

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              I never threatened anything, I said I would most likely move away from ios, which is true. around the time the new iPhone comes out I will be in the market for a new phone and will not be on a contract.

              with ios 6 out of the bag and not impressing me, all that's left is the new phone itself, and IF it doesn't impress me then yes the result that is MOST LIKELY is that I won't buy it and hence would buy a non-iOS phone.

              dont see how this affects you personally or why you're trying so hard to shoot down the other options.

              [–]egypturnash 0 points1 point ago

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              I've been using an Android phone for the past few years. I'm thinking of switching to an iPhone soon.

              Android users constantly bitch about unwanted stock apps even worse than iOS users due to carriers and manufacturers adding extra crap.

              I will miss home screen widgets, it's very nice to be able to have whatever info I want on display. (I also like being able to organize my apps on the home screen instead of having them stuck flowing from the top left.)

              A lot of this isn't in stock Android either - you go into the messages app to respond to 'em, silent hours are a paid 3rd-party app.

              It IS pretty nice to be able to hit the microphone icon next to almost any text input and speak instead of type.

              I have bought a lot more apps for my iPad than my Nexus One. Most Android apps are kinda ugly IMHO. It doesn't help that every other major OS release brings a new skin. Oh yeah, and don't expect to update your OS. Ever. If you're lucky then one update MIGHT trickle through the modifications of your carrier and your phone's manufacturer. But you will probably have to root your device and install Cyanogenmod or some other homebrew distribution of the OS to stay up to date.

              tl;dr: android and iOS both have some major gaps in functionality.

              [–]rarisgod -1 points0 points ago

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              • What obligation does Apple have to overhaul their UI? They've updated it in some ways. What if many of their users don't want it to change?
              • Quick access is one thing, but don't you think widgets will just be unnecessary battery drainage?
              • Is it really hard to go into the Messaging app?
              • Better folders how? More items? I can't disagree, this would be nice.
              • Lockscreen info would be nice.
              • They aren't dealing with a lot of space for the notification center, what could they improve? I tried thinking of this myself before the conference, but I couldn't think of anything.
              • I agree in removing the stock apps that you don't use, ESPECIALLY Newsstand.
              • See above notification center comment.

              If you're looking for all this stuff to be added, maybe you are better suited to Android, or just keep jailbreaking. Personally, I prefer the simple, non-crowded UI and notification center/status bar. But that's me.

              [–]whiskeytab 1 point2 points ago

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              I don't really think they're obligated for any of it, but they should at least have the option for a lot of these things. I'm fine with jail breaking, to be honest if I didn't have that option I probably would have moved from ios earlier, but the problem is its not a guaranteed thing. when apple updates the OS they kill the jailbreak, same thing with new phones. if they just added these things in the first place then people wouldn't need or want to jailbreak.

              as for any battery issues with the above features, I can do them on my 2 year old iPhone 4 right now with no negative effect so I don't see why they couldnt with newer and better devices

              [–]raulness 1 point2 points ago

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              No ethernet on the new MBP? Damn...

              [–]staiano 0 points1 point ago

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              Yeah it seems their thought is it has thunderbolt and you can get gigabit Ethernet and FireWire adapters.

              Maybe they will go old school and include the ethernet adapter in the box but I wouldn't hold our breathes.

              [–]vinng86 0 points1 point ago

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              The ethernet port was probably too big so they were probably like fuck it, lets just make an adapter instead.

              [–]hekati 0 points1 point ago

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              I don't see an optical drive on there either. The lack of ethernet port is sadface, but at least the ethernet adapter is gigabit. The current one for the MacBook Air isn't gigabit, only 100mps. The USB 3, HDMI, and SD card slots make up for it a bit.

              [–]InTheSphere 1 point2 points ago

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              Just woke up late, time to check Reddit and see what I missed at Apple's WWD- HNNNNNNG

              [–]fm_davis 2 points3 points ago

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              I'm assuming Fall time frame for a new iPhone model. That blows!

              [–]rarisgod 2 points3 points ago

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              Why did you expect it now? The 4S came out less than a year ago.

              [–]microsby29 0 points1 point ago

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              When and where is the full video going to be posted after the speech is done?

              [–]noswagg[S] 0 points1 point ago

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              they usually post videos on http://www.apple.com/apple-events/ & their YouTube channel, http://youtube.com/apple

              [–]microsby29 1 point2 points ago

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              makes sense. How quick do they normally post?

              [–]richworks 0 points1 point ago

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              Usually a day after the conference..

              [–]DoTheDew 1 point2 points ago

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              Actually, it's usually up within a couple hours.

              [–]richworks 0 points1 point ago

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              Ok.. The conference goes live during the midnight here.. I end up watching the videos the next day... that's what I meant though :)

              [–]jlt6666 0 points1 point ago

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              So I'm a little confused. Is the "legacy" MPB the same form factor as the old ones? Does it still have an ethernet port and a CD drive?

              [–]pibroch 0 points1 point ago

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              Yes. Just like the TiBooks when the AlBooks came out.

              [–]jlt6666 0 points1 point ago

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              Damn.

              [–]chrisgunton 0 points1 point ago

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              So....iOS6 has turn by turn using Siri, and will work on the 4???

              [–]TrancePhreak 1 point2 points ago

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              nope

              [–]InTheSphere 0 points1 point ago

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              and ipod touch 4??

              [–]Brandaman 1 point2 points ago

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              No, unfortunately not

              [–]jakebluu 0 points1 point ago

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              Also, will iOS6 be available on the iPad 1?

              [–]johngeorgesample 1 point2 points ago

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              I'm afraid not my friend. :(

              [–]jakebluu 0 points1 point ago

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              I'm mad

              [–]johngeorgesample 0 points1 point ago

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              As am I.

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                [–]BCsprfn87 0 points1 point ago

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                So they won't announce the iPhone 5 even though it's coming out in September?

                [–]DoTheDew 2 points3 points ago

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                It's coming out most likely in October, and they don't usually announce it more than 2 weeks before it ships.

                [–]BCsprfn87 0 points1 point ago

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                Point taken. Your right I forgot about the October launch.

                [–]Etab 1 point2 points ago

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                That would give competitors a lot of time to respond. Also, it wouldn't be great if people held off buying an iPhone for a few months -- most companies want people to buy something now (or as soon as physically possible).

                [–]chrisgunton 0 points1 point ago

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                Is this a shot of the standard Apple TV 3? My iTV 2 looks nothing like it :( http://c3444547.r47.cf0.rackcdn.com/wwdc-2012_255.jpg

                [–]rarisgod 2 points3 points ago

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                You should be able to perform a software update to get that interface.

                [–]daredood 0 points1 point ago

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                3Gs support but none for 1st gen iPads?

                [–]jakebluu 0 points1 point ago

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                Can someone answer this?

                [–]Etab 1 point2 points ago

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                Looks like no support for first-gen iPad, most likely because the 3GS is still being sold and the first-gen iPad is not.

                [–]jakebluu 0 points1 point ago

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                I'm betting it's because it has a camera

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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                So, I guess no new iPhone announcement...yet. I guess that will come in October as it has in the past if it does come this year.

                [–]ebrake 0 points1 point ago

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                Yet again Apple tells the Professional users to suck it. As we are stuck with the same Apple Pro line that was designed for the G5 processors almost 10 years ago.

                Its becoming a joke now that you can get MacPro laptops for $3,000 that out-spec the $5,000 Mac Pro Desktops.

                [–]hookguy 0 points1 point ago

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                I'm not seeing that these changes to the OS are enough to make it 6 rather than 5.2

                [–]David722 0 points1 point ago

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                Any idea if the topics in OP are in order of presentation?

                [–]nmorkAHH GET THAT CURSOR OFF OF ME 1 point2 points ago

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                They're announcing MacBook updates now, so it doesn't look like it.

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                  [–]InTheSphere 0 points1 point ago

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                  Does anyone know if iOS6 will be free?

                  [–]DoTheDew 10 points11 points ago

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                  iOS upgrades have been free for everyone since 3.0

                  [–]yellowbottle 0 points1 point ago

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                  Actually, they make it compulsory on supported devices. Like one can't downgrade iOS.

                  [–]noswagg[S] 0 points1 point ago

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                  Yes it will be.

                  [–]pibroch 0 points1 point ago

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                  Watching a live stream! HDMI!!!!!

                  [–]tjamzt 0 points1 point ago

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                  13" MBP specs are a bit disappointing :/

                  [–]The_Justicer 1 point2 points ago

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                  Really? Is there anything you can't do with it?

                  [–]tjamzt 1 point2 points ago

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                  Just compared to the specs of some current 13" windows laptops at this pricepoint, I'd expect them to be better. I don't see why they didnt make it a little thicker and packed some better hardware in there since now there is very little difference between it and the MBA.

                  [–]The_Justicer 0 points1 point ago

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                  Doesn't really answer my question. Just my opinion, but I think we've gotten to the point where spec comparison is no longer an indicator of quality. All modern computers are incredibly fast, and spec differences are virtually imperceptible to most users.

                  [–]tjamzt 0 points1 point ago

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                  Well for me It would be lacking in 3D applications like 3Ds max and Maya as well as most modern games. For video rendering and photoshop it will be fine, but It could be much faster.

                  [–]kowalski71 0 points1 point ago

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                  Any word on when iOS 6 goes live?

                  [–]caledones 0 points1 point ago

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                  Devs get it today, to be released this fall for everyone.

                  [–]noswagg[S] -1 points0 points ago

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                  not yet, we're all anxiously waiting, believe me.

                  [–]hekati 0 points1 point ago

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                  This fall, they said. So think September, around the time the kids go back to school and start buying stuff.

                  [–]retrospects -2 points-1 points ago

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                  iMessage sucks, are they going to make that better?

                  [–]Pandyballs 8 points9 points ago

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                  how?

                  [–]retrospects -1 points0 points ago

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                  Because it takes forever to receive. Maybe it is just iPhone 4 but even over wifi it is spotty at best.

                  [–]Pandyballs 21 points22 points ago

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                  I'm guessing that's your connection...I never have any problems with any of my devices

                  [–]Thoraxe 5 points6 points ago

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                  No problems here either. It has worked flawlessly since day one. Super speedy, totally reliable.

                  [–]retrospects 1 point2 points ago

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                  Both on wifi with full bars and it never works right. I have had to turn it off because I will received them without notification, very VERY delayed, or not at all.

                  [–]Pandyballs 5 points6 points ago

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                  maybe your actual internet connection though?

                  [–]retrospects 1 point2 points ago

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                  Nope, trust me everything was all good. I even had tested it with nothing but the phone pulling from the connection on both ends. It is not reliable for me.

                  [–]tmantran 3 points4 points ago

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                  Pandyballs isn't talking about your phone's connection to your router, but rather your connection to The Internet itself. Have you tried on a different ISP?

                  [–]retrospects 1 point2 points ago

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                  I have tried via 3G, Public WiFi, my home wifi with all the same results. It is not just my phone it is on both ends.

                  [–]Brandaman 2 points3 points ago

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                  Phone issue? It's fine for me too

                  [–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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                  I've never had any issues with iMessage.

                  [–]TheAwakened 4 points5 points ago

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                  It's never been a problem with me or my friends, ever. I've used it on 3G connections of Vodafone and 3, and on a few Wi-Fi connections as well. It's more likely something on your end.

                  [–]retrospects 0 points1 point ago

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                  Like i said it is on both ends, perhaps there is something screwy. It just does not work for me. I have unlimited text anyway so i really don't mind.

                  [–]TheAwakened 4 points5 points ago

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                  If it's a problem on your end, it'll reflect on both ends.

                  For example, when you send an iMessage to someone and your Internet connection screws up, the other person won't get it ASAP.

                  [–]retrospects 1 point2 points ago

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                  That makes a lot of sense. Either my router or Time Warner sucks balls (or both)

                  [–]tresonce 0 points1 point ago

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                  I think it blows that your notifications and unread messages dont sync between devices. Did i miss that or is this fixed now?

                  [–]rarisgod 1 point2 points ago

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                  Your Apple ID will now unify all addresses you can receive your messages (and FaceTime calls) at. So you sign in with your Apple ID on any device and you'll receive all the same messages. I'm glad they did it this way, it means everything will be synced for sure.

                  [–]retrospects 0 points1 point ago

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                  I think messages will now be linked but I am not sure. I know that you can receive and respond to an imessage on any device though so that is cool.

                  [–]Greenman851 -1 points0 points ago

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                  Price of the retina mbp? Thanks

                  [–]hekati 1 point2 points ago

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                  Starts at $2199 for the base specs, the store'll be up soon

                  [–]CashewGuy 0 points1 point ago

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                  Man that's expensive, I'm going to have to do some serious saving.

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