this post was submitted on 14 Feb 2010
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[deleted] 23 points24 points 5 months ago[-]

Tell them you want to do 2 chicks at the same time.

KonaEarth 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

Seeing as how it's recent news, I suspect the price they're willing to pay drops by the minute. And there's other video of the same wave on YouTube. Here's a first person view that's pretty dramatic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCLZ9Z3gJQ8

nothix 1 point2 points 5 months ago[-]

Am I wrong for laughing at the crying girl? Like literally laughing out loud. I feel so mean.

balinx 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

WTF Did that guy break his leg? What is going on?

wishiwasonmaui [S] 8 points9 points 5 months ago[-]

Thanks for all your help guys. Most of you guys quoted higher than I went with. I had other people telling me less than what I got. I low balled it a bit I guess. I ended up with:

$500/$50 Non exclusive, with naming rights.

Should be on Good Morning America tomorrow.

rogue 6 points7 points 5 months ago[-]

That is awfully low... you could have gotten more than that for photo used for a 1/2 page spread in a book no one will ever read.

Anyway, I came here to post that people should never sell the copyright of their content (only license it) and that temporary exclusivity ups the price.

wishiwasonmaui [S] 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

Yes, I made sure to get non-exclusive. I'd like to see it on 'Destroyed in Seconds' or shows like that.

squeevey 3 points4 points 5 months ago[-]

Ouch...start shopping it around to other news outlets stat. It's non-exclusive...so you can. You can (and should) make more money on this. You live you learn :) Obviously, time was of the essence with this...so it's understandable.

wishiwasonmaui [S] 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

Yup, got got a few more hits on it. I'll keep upping the price till they say no I guess..

squeevey 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

remember, just with any bartering system (same goes for salary). Go high, because they will either say yes, say no, or counter. If they say yes, you win, if they say no, then you ask them what they feel a reasonable offer is...then figure out what you want. So figure what halfway between their offer and your original offer is. If that is above your accepting criteria...offer that. If it's not...go in between the middle number and your high number. What you are doing is letting them feel like they are choosing the price and that you are giving them a deal by cutting the price. At some point one party or the other will say...Nah, no thanks...or I'll take it. When the latter comes up and the price is write...say SURE. If it's not...say no thanks and let them walk away. That's what I did with my video that i sold. I made them an offer, and they said they could not meet that (after a few rounds). I politely said that it was worth more, and that I cannot sell it for less. I wish them the best and if in the future they wish to use it they are free to contact me.

They contacted me a week later. :) Win some and lose some, but as with any haggling, be prepared to walk away.

midava 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

Saw it on on the Los Angeles affiliate today (KABC). Congratulations. Just out of curiosity did you ask for a higher fee and did they counter with a lower offer or did you just propose $500 and that was it?

I wouldn't beat your self up over the price. It's found money and now you have a great story to tell. I don't know what it looked like on GMA but the version I saw looks like they used about 15 seconds of your footage and cut it together with some other footage they had-- so you got $500 for 15 seconds of work, not bad.

wishiwasonmaui [S] 1 point2 points 5 months ago[-]

Ya, thanks for the pep talk. This is my first thing like this, probably last. But I have a little better idea what to do next time. They wouldn't tell me a range, made me come up with a number. But they accepted what I asked for. $500 more than I had Friday. :) Live and learn...

MDPhotog 15 points16 points 5 months ago* [-]

I'd say $1000 for a year's rights. $2500 if they want to buy it. There's a million other idiots who just filmed it too, so I don't think you can get TOO much.

Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about with video, but I do work with commercial photographs so that's similar.

sebastianavina 8 points9 points 5 months ago[-]

There's a million other idiots who just filmed it too, so I don't think you can get TOO much.

why do you imply wishiwasonmaui is an idiot?

wishiwasonmaui [S] 4 points5 points 5 months ago[-]

Thanks! He may be right but still...

eddie1996 1 point2 points 5 months ago[-]

there is a reason the producer is asking for your footage. probably because it is shot from above and all the other footage is from sand level.

bacchus101 3 points4 points 5 months ago[-]

There's a million other idiots who just filmed it too, so I don't think you can get TOO much.

Ya, I just saw it on NBC and it was what looked like a different video from almost the exact same spot.

wishiwasonmaui [S] 4 points5 points 5 months ago[-]

Hmm... Damn, that's a good video too. Don't tell ABC

eddie1996 2 points3 points 5 months ago[-]

Google to get an idea for price. Also price should be based on usage. Do they want it for one station or all the affiliates. Do they want usage world wide. I say use $2k a minute as a starting point and then add for more usage. Also put a time limit on the usage. Get this all in a contract. Footage time limit for usage and where it is to be shown.

Also do not for an reason allow them to sell the footage to anyone else. That should be in the contract. Do not sign anything that says work for hire.

squeevey 3 points4 points 5 months ago[-]

I sold this video: http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/a5thr/heres_a_video_i_shot_of_a_crazy_lady_yelling_at/

to trutv.

they offered me $200 at first...and I laughed at them.
They tried to raise it up to $400 and I still laughed at them. Here is why: Stock video prices around the internet vary greatly, but the prices fall between anywhere from $25-$100 / SECOND. (depending on the source quality, you shot HD so you're alright).

What are the licensing rights are they asking for? Exclusive? non-exclusive? You should have them send you all that information before you make an offer, because it will greatly influence the price.

The only "downfall" is that they would consider you "amateur", so they may feel that they can get away with lowballing you. They are letting you make the initial offer, so my thought is go high. Ask for $3K. Would you be happy with $1500?

Also, does it matter to you if you make money on it? I originally shot mine with no intent of making money, so I had no problem sticking to my guns to get the money i deserve. I do this because I think it's good to start making the content purchasers more aware that we are getting smarter about content prices. But, as one person mentions below, you may want to offload it quick. Again, check the licensing rights they are offering and see if you can also sell it to other broadcast outlets :)

Best of luck...if you have any questions, i'll gladly try to answer them.

As far as the video quality...there are a few parts that aren't bad in terms of production quality, there are a few parts where you are really shaky and fast panning...but they have production equipment to handle some of that.

wishiwasonmaui [S] 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

Thanks for the advice. I guess it came down to I'll be happy getting something. Now that's worn off, I'll hold out for more if I get more takers.

I'll check with trutv, that would be a good fit.

Are there any agencies who will take on videos like this and market them for you?

squeevey 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

I can't say I've ever heard of any. Of course, if they do, they are stock footage agencies. Check with Getty, etc. those may be a good path if they do video.

constipated_HELP 3 points4 points 5 months ago[-]

You should consider this stock photography, because you were not commissioned for the work. You were there and took the videos/images at risk of not getting any money for them.

A good place to start would be a stock photography agency (Getty is the biggest). Run the numbers. I did, and got between $1500 and $3000 for a video clip and between $3 and $400 for images (both depend upon broadcast range, date, etc). Check it out.

wishiwasonmaui [S] 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

I'll do that. I'm with Istock. Haven't put it up there though. Their prices are much less. Hmm.

JimmyJamesMac 2 points3 points 5 months ago[-]

Take it off of youtube. They can just show it and report that you showed it on youtube now.

wishiwasonmaui [S] 1 point2 points 5 months ago[-]

Maybe, but I would have never gotten the offers if it wasn't up there.

JimmyJamesMac 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

I realize that...I just meant to take it down after they found it. How'd it go?

nzeeshan 2 points3 points 5 months ago[-]

Instead of naming your own price (which might be low) ... ask ABC how much budget has been allocated for acquiring independent videos. If there price is greater than yours, accept it. If not, then go the 'name your own price' route

scoofy 1 point2 points 5 months ago[-]

why would they tell you that?

ithinksometimes 5 points6 points 5 months ago[-]

$2,000 / min; $500 / still

thedailynathan 23 points24 points 5 months ago[-]

I'm not saying your numbers are wrong or anything, but posts like these are really lame. If you have an answer, post it and give some supporting rationale. Any idiot can also post random numbers, and there's zero way to distinguish what you posted from an accurate answer or plain bullshit.

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thedailynathan 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

Even then, how can you distinguish those upvotes from simply being sheep that go "Oh, that number looks about right, and the poster's so confident and authoritative that he doesn't even need to post evidence!"

As of now there are at least 11 upvotes, and if there are 11 other people that actually know and agree that to be the right answer, I would have expected someone to have posted "Yeah, that sounds about right, I sold my video once and so-and-so other reason..." But there's not even that, so as far as I'm concerned this post is still at square zero in terms of credibility.

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theninjagreg 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

By "nonzero" do you mean true?

thedailynathan 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

By "nonzero indicator" (and correct me password if I'm wrong), he means that the upvotes count for something, i.e. I was technically wrong to say that there is nothing from the original post that would lend credence to its accuracy. By the fact that there are people upvoting it, we know that there are some people who agree with the answer.

However as I argued below, this doesn't mean too much in the real world because we lack a count of the number of people who disagree. So saying "11 redditors agree with this" doesn't mean much because there could be zero or ten thousand redditors that disagree with it.

thedailynathan 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

I see what you mean now about the number of votes weighing in as a sort of consensus.

I have to say though, that it's a bit flawed because the upvote/downvote system isn't explicitly set up as a "do you agree with this?" question. So a positive upvote number simply means "some people agree", but you can't even extrapolate that to "seems like the majority of people agree" because redditors don't necessarily use their downvotes that way.

theninjagreg 1 point2 points 5 months ago[-]

$1800 / min, $420 / still.

emkat 3 points4 points 5 months ago[-]

How do you know this? Is this the average price?

hiddendecoy 2 points3 points 5 months ago[-]

Is that a typical price for this type of footage or are you throwing out a number?

titaniumten 1 point2 points 5 months ago[-]

9000

anyonebutme 1 point2 points 5 months ago[-]

I am a television professional. Ask for three and settle for two.

daytime 1 point2 points 5 months ago[-]

Let us know how it goes!

nbdy 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

one MILLION dollars!

HawkUK 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

There's other footage already out there: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8514718.stm

adremeaux 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

I'm sure by now it's already too late.

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WalterGR 6 points7 points 5 months ago[-]

Fantastically incorrect.

m1ss1ontomars2k4 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

I was going to say grammatically, but sure.

dhammallama 0 points1 point 5 months ago[-]

Grammtastically?