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Will someone explain something to my girlfriend. (self.relationships)
submitted 1 year ago* by Mezmerial
We have been dating for 3-4 years. However, she thinks that just because I notice another girl (pictures of random chicks on the internet) that I want to up and leave her. Will someone explain to her that men just appreciate beauty.
Edit:I told her that men want what they can not have, and therefore she thinks that I want them because I can not have them. =/ Any advice. She is a lurker on reddit, so she will be reading comments.
Yes, I am in trouble for posting this.
[–]Mezmerial[S] 133 points134 points135 points 1 year ago
TIL that I am a bigger asshole then i originally anticipated.
[–]Princess_By_Day 38 points39 points40 points 1 year ago
A lesson typically learned too late! Generally good to get that bit out of the way before shit hits the fan, eh?
[–]Mezmerial[S] 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
It hasn't it the fan. We are pretty good at working things out.
[–]ghostofmybrain 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
I'm not positive, but I think that's what the word "before" means.
[–]Mezmerial[S] 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Indeed, it does. However, I thought that you were being sarcastic lol.
[–]Princess_By_Day 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I was the person who said that- I wasn't being sarcastic! I really think it's valuable for people to recognize that they are (at least partially) in the wrong before they stick to their guns for the long haul and stubbornly insist they're completely in the right and irreparably damage relationships.
[–]ghostofmybrain 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
What? I'm not the person who said that.
[–]teabagcity 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
Apparently not since you came here to get strangers to tell her she's wrong.
[–]Robasha 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
You are not an ass, you take advice well and you apologize. You're a good guy.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
*than
[–]Sparrowsfoot -11 points-10 points-9 points 1 year ago
And do self pitty very well op
Notice I said " then anticipated" meaning I knew I was an asshole already. No pity hear sir. I just prefer to not be an ass to my friends or gf
[–]EXV -9 points-8 points-7 points 1 year ago
You're not. Reddit is full of people with no backbone. Appreciating a woman's looks is one thing. Taking action on it is a whole other thing.
Either way I think you've done something to make her feel this way.
[–]quish 128 points129 points130 points 1 year ago
Will someone explain to her that men just appreciate beauty.
Everyone appreciates beauty. Don't bring gender into it unnecessarily. Most straight women notice a hot man. I certainly do. But if it bothers their significant other, they certainly shouldn't bring it up to them or act obvious about checking them out in front of them. That sounds like it's the problem here.
[–]sagion 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Everyone appreciates beauty.
I agree. Most, if not all, people form immediate opinions about the way someone looks when they see them. It can't be helped or stopped, it's too fast. It's also natural. However, you do control what you do after this judgement has formed.
OP, yes, it's unreasonable and maybe double standardy for her to expect you not notice how another woman looks. However, if you know she doesn't like knowing that you've noticed others (or who you've noticed), then you shouldn't point them out to her. And if you do, be ready to reassure her that she's more to you than they are without condescending her. Also, without attacking her or defending yourself, try asking her if she still notices attractive people, how she feels about that, and what she does about it. Depending on the answers and if it would be honest to do this, reply that that's how it is with you; nothing serious.
[–]unit187 -69 points-68 points-67 points 1 year ago
If you have to lie or hide your real identity in a relationship - screw this. If my SO cannot trust me and I have to struggle and pretend I don't look at other girls (I basically can't skip a single mini-skirt (if the girl is cute of course)) - the girlfrience obviously is insecure.
[–]JordyMOOcow 61 points62 points63 points 1 year ago
Or you could be really shallow and disrepesctful.
[–]aerynjbson 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I know my SO looks at other females and I'm ok with it because I know he loves me and that just because he oogles another womans ass doesn't mean that he doesn't love my attributes. Also him and I have the same taste in women and tend to oogle together.
[–]JordyMOOcow 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Theres a difference in that and what I was explaining. Not everybody is okay or as open with that type of behavior, if you're both open and honest and trusting, then by all means, the best of luck to you, but not everyone is the same way.
[–]aerynjbson 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
well open ,honest and trusting makes a relationship survive past infancy.
[–]unit187 -29 points-28 points-27 points 1 year ago
It does not make any sense to me, but probably in your place it is considered not shallow and highly respectful to hide your true emotions and desires, lying to the closest people.
[–]JordyMOOcow 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
Let me just put it like this, why be in a long term relationship, with someone you care about and are close to, if you're just going to check out every single girl that comes your way? Sure, you can say that there are people who are insecure, but it is actions (such as yours) that cause insecurity in people.
If someone is insecure because their SO constantly looks at other girls, then can you really blame them for being insecure?
[–]unit187 -21 points-20 points-19 points 1 year ago
I am not sure if you are a female or not. But most men feel a desire to look after women. Of course it is rude if you plain stare at them, but giving a glance is acceptable, isn't it? I don't find it healthy to suppress your own feelings just because the society thinks it might be rude or whatever. We are animals after all and constantly fighting our own nature isn't something I would like to do. I believe in strong bond between genuine loving people. In this case you don't need to hide a part of yours, you don't need to play mind games, you don't need to follow weird rules.
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[–]Mezmerial[S] -6 points-5 points-4 points 1 year ago
I want to point out once again that I would never do it if we were walking in the mall. I also would like to say that I never say I would hit that or anything along those lines.
[–]unit187 -15 points-14 points-13 points 1 year ago
I agree on that partially. I mean sure if you are going bold with it and keep pointing or bringing up conversations about hot girls to your girlfriend - it is quite disturbing. But on other hand I believe if occasionaly you point out hot girl passing by to your girlfrind - she should be totally okay with it. If she feels uncomfortable about it then there is some issue. For instance, trust between both partners. Or self esteem issue, etc.
[–]flyhaters 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Haha, what? What is the point of telling your gf a hot girl walked by? She knows what a hot girl looks like, and she doesn't care if some random gives you a boner. Are you seriously so broken you can't look at it from someone else's viewpoint?
[–]unit187 -6 points-5 points-4 points 1 year ago
Guess you should be quite boring to talk to. My girlfriend herself sometimes points at cute girls. Women often apreciate other woman's attractiveness (sexually). Unlike men, we almost never say/think about another guy if he is sexy or not.
[–]JordyMOOcow 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
I know that, but the way you described it, you made yourself seem like a total creep.
[–]JordyMOOcow 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Yes, you can take glances at women, obviously, everyone does that. I was more referring to the more extreme side of looking at women. Like being very obvious, making frequent remarks, just being a creep in general ya know?
Im alright with a relationship where she will ocassionally look at men and she just kept it at that, I personally wouldn't be alright with someone who would be with me and look at someone else and they say something like "I would fuck the shit out of that person", or something to that extent.
[–]drumdance -21 points-20 points-19 points 1 year ago
Women don't see a hot man the same way a guy sees a hot girl. A woman will see a hot man and perhaps think "he's someone I'd like to get to know more." A guy will see a hot woman and think "I would like to have sex with her."
A quote I once saw:
Men talk to women in order to get them to have sex. Women have sex with men in order to get them to talk.
All that said, OP needs to learn how to keep his mouth shut about it and not let his eyes wander so obviously.
[–]CheekyPeach 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
This is exactly what quish was trying to avoid when she mentioned not bringing up gender.
I am a woman, and I've noticed good looking guys that I'd like to fuck, as I'm sure there are guys out there who notice girls they'd like to get to know better.
What they were trying to get at is don't put blanket statements on males or females, cause any sex is more than capable of acting either way regardless of gender.
[–]drumdance -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago
Ok, I'll preface mine with "On average..." There have been multiple studies on this. Something like 75% of men are willing to sleep with an attractive girl they just met. Less than 5% of women are.
I notice at least 10 girls every single day I would hop into bed with. I know I'm not an outlier because I'm frequently with guys in my work and we joke about it constantly.
[Edited to add] I'm fine with gender equality in every way, but I think it's silly to pretend there aren't differences when it comes to sexuality. For example, women who change genders to men through gender reassignment surgery often point out how, once they start taking testosterone, they find themselves thinking about sex a lot more.
[–]quish 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Wow, this doesn't even begin to be true. When I see a hot man, I am NOT thinking about getting to know him. I have a boyfriend who I love a lot. But if I notice a hot guy, it's not because I'm scoping out future dating prospects.
This quote and your comments suggest that you hold the all-to-common belief that women are less interested in sex than men. It's a sexist, false, and pervasive belief. To the extent that it IS true, it's only because women have been socialized to believe they shouldn't be as interested in sex as men. Most normal, healthy women both enjoy and think about sex. And if they see a hot man, you'd better bet they do think about what he'd be like in bed.
[–]drumdance 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I absolutely believe women are very interested in sex and often even have a higher sex drive than men. I've dated enough women to know that firsthand.
However, there is a ton of research to show that on average, women think about sex differently than men. And there's also plenty of research that shows you can trigger different thought patterns in a person merely by changing the mix of hormones flowing through their bodies. Especially about sex.
As I said before, it's not that I think women are unequal or special in some way. I just hate all the horseshit of pretending there are no differences in how men and women think. If we thought the same a lot of marriage counselors would be out of work.
[–]quish 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I'm not denying sex differences. I am denying the anecdotal evidence you were giving about what women think when they look at a man. Show me a study that says that when a woman looks at an attractive man, she thinks that he's someone she wants to get to know more. Or, worse yet, the study that says that "Women have sex with men in order to get them to talk."
I'm sorry, but I call bullshit if you think that statement is not a sexist statement. The idea that women use sex as a tool to get men to talk stems from a sexist view of women.
I'm not denying biological gender differences. They exist. Gender is a complex and nuanced issue that involves environment as well as biology. However, you are not citing any actual research to back up your blatantly sexist ideas. Yes, men and women think differently, but the reasons for that are not entirely biological. And of course, some are, and I disagree nothing that you said in this comment, but I completely disagree with every statement you make in your previous one.
[–]drumdance -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
The quote was a generalization, a rule of thumb. Any guy who's tried to seduce a girl knows that it helps greatly to have a way with words. And any woman who's wanted to snare a guy knows that looking sexy is much more important than talking sexy.
Here's some research: http://www.elainehatfield.com/79.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(female-to-male)
Increased libido is the first example cited of "reversible changes" for transgender hormone therapy. It also notes that "Natural testosterone levels peak in women just before ovulation which may account for the mid-cycle increase in libido many women experience."
Yes, men and women think differently, but the reasons for that are not entirely biological
I don't care if the reasons are biological or otherwise. All I care is that they exist. And that this particular thread exists because of those differences.
We could spend all our time trying to convince OP that one party is "wrong" and the other is "right," or we could just say "men and women are different. If you are a man, be aware that certain classes of behavior will upset women. And vice versa if you're a woman."
[–]Tri_Sara_Tops 26 points27 points28 points 1 year ago
I think it depends on exactly what it is you're saying. For example, my boyfriend and I don't have a problem saying in front of each other, "She's really pretty," or "He's a handsome dude." But if he were to say, "Damn, she is SO smokin hot. I'd hit that," or something similar, it would definitely make me uncomfortable.
[–]kaunis 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
people have already answered the question, but i also wanted to mention:
the title "will someone explain something to my girlfriend" came off as haughty. you were looking for the answer you wanted, and that's it.
i'm guessing you two have a HUGE communication issue.
this could have been solved with a very calm "honey, when you do this, it makes me feel like this" you then say okay, i know it makes you upset, but this is my reasoning for the behavior. then she tells you why that reasoning might be valid but it still HURTS HER, and eventually you guys make a decision. 5 minute issue, tops. as long as both parties are willing to hear each other out (calmly!) and be willing to alter behavior that hurts the partner (as long as the request is reasonable. this isn't like stop talking to your family, this is stop ogling other women).
but no. she probably never said it like that, and you get all pissy and run to the internet, wanting someone to "fix" your girlfriend.
talk it out next time, both of you. maybe you already have, but i imagine that just from the tone of your post alone, any time you did talk about it it turned into a "im right, no, I'm right!" fight of nasty tones toward each other with neither of you even caring about compromise. that needs to stop, or your relationship isn't going to get anywhere especially if something bigger than this comes up. you guys should have been able to solve this one on your own.
[–]lowspeedlowdrag 35 points36 points37 points 1 year ago
Sure, want me to call her?
[–]Mezmerial[S] 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
She will be reading comments.
[–]lowspeedlowdrag 22 points23 points24 points 1 year ago
So how old are each of you? It's one of the things in the "Rules" sidebar over there>>>>>>
Do you actually call her over and point out attractive women? Or does she just catch you browsing pics all day?
[–]Mezmerial[S] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Oh sorry, I am 22m and she is 21f. And no, Its an "Oh, hey look at that girl" joking manner. Its never in person, always digital.
[–]lowspeedlowdrag 137 points138 points139 points 1 year ago
Well, perhaps as step one you should learn from your mistakes and quit opening your mouth. Jokes are only funny if they're funny.
Step two, make an effort to compliment her more to help her out. At the end of the day it's her self esteem and you cant change that, but you can at least quit making an ass of yourself and feeding her insecurities.
[–]Mezmerial[S] 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
Advice received and no offense taken. Ty kind redditor.
[–]karmas_a_bitch_010 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
Well, I mean, 3-4 years in; what's your point in continuing to do it? Has what 'type' of woman you find attractive changed enough in that time or are you simply reminding her?
And I'm sorry, 'she doesn't understand i'm just appreciating beauty' along with "'oh hey look at that girl' in a joking manner". Joking manner? Why would it be in a joking manner and what message are you trying to send? That sounds like a pre-pubescent boy testing to see if his friend still thinks girls have cooties.
If she's never expressed bisexual leanings/an interest in women sexually, it's like pointing out women you find attractive to a gay male friend. Do you do it when you're with your mother? With any other women who are also about your age? If it's because you 'appreciate beauty' ... beauty is subjective.
Treat and expect of your gf the same you would of a guy friend - straight or gay - who isn't at all interested in the 'type' of women you find attractive. If every. single. time. you pointed out a 'hot' girl to a guy friend he replied along the lines of 'meh', eventually you'd stop bringing it up/pointing them out/mentioning it.
Know your audience; she's not attracted to women and has no desire to imagine you having sex with another woman. Even if she does get off on the thought it's okay if she doesn't want to be reminded you're always assessing women.
It's not always that the other person needs to stop being so sensitive; most times it's that the first needs to show more class/be more respectful in the first place.
[–]junegloom 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Is it so hard to just stop doing that, if it upsets her? Do you need to have every thought in your head heard by someone else? Just enjoy it for yourself and stop sharing if it isn’t well received. You look like you have no ability to listen to other people and respect their requests.
I'd rather call her.
[–]eyeliketigers 55 points56 points57 points 1 year ago
If you are pointing them out to her and you know it's making her upset, then the problem is you. Ok, you check out girls. You probably can't help that. But pointing them out to your girlfriend is pretty much rubbing it in her face, especially when you already know it makes her feel bad/ upsets her. Are you really that insensitive?
Think about all the things you're insecure about and think about if she constantly pointed out hot guys who had features you thought you lacked. It might make you feel shitty too.
[–]ilovemybfsp33n 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
This is an issue for me. My SO and I share pictures of girls we think are sexy. Sometimes the only thing I can see, though, is everything I'm not in the girls he sends me. This doesn't make him insensitive - as I like being able to share with each other - it just makes me sensitive. I figure it's pretty natural.
[–]eyeliketigers 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Yeah in this case it is your fault, because it bothers you and you still go along with it. If sharing those kind of pictures is fine in your relationship, then more power to you.
But it being pretty natural? I don't think most women feel that way. I had never had a guy do that to me until I started dating one guy who was doing to make me feel bad on purpose because he was into the whole negging thing. I even found he had little post it notes in a drawer on how to neg. And obviously if you two have that kind of agreement, it doesn't make it insensitive for your boyfriend, but the OP clearly said he knew it was upsetting his girlfriend but he kept doing it anyway. In other words, he's being insensitive.
[–]Robasha 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
OP's girlfriend here to thank you guys on helping my boyfriend be more perceptive to my feelings. Basically I understand the fact that he finds other women attractive. What I would rather not have to deal with is the fact that he has to let me know, very often. Keep it to yourself. But that alone hasn't made me freak out and think he is going to leave me. What Mezmerial left out was that last week, he admitted to me that he had become bored and complacent in our relationship and was doubting his feelings for me. He tried something out to test his feelings, to see if he was still in love with me, or if being together was just convenient and comfortable for the both of us. He reasoned with "I'm the guy who wants what he cannot get." It turned out we really did just need to shake things up, and are still as in love as ever. But I internalized his fears and made myself believe that it was my fault he was doubting his feelings. That if I was being the best girlfriend I could be, then he wouldn't want things he couldn't have, because what he had was better. So a few days later, when i was showing him a picture of a dog, he says "OOOH look at her!", noticing the woman in the picture. I immediately got offended and caught an attitude with him saying, "Why don't you just leave me for her then?" I was admittedly still harboring some insecurities from his confession, so I guess I subconsciously thought that by saying he could have this other woman, he wouldn't want her anymore. But we've talked, and you guys have helped a million, and he told me that he realized he should have never been pointing out to me whenever he finds girls to be hot. In our relationship I think that works best. I don't have to feel insecure and wonder if he's pointing out women because he thinks I should look more like them or he may move on to greener pastures.
TL;DR OP gave girlfriend issues when he told her he wants what he can't have, Reddit swooped in and saved the day.
[–]Mezmerial[S] 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Confirming this is indeed my gf.
[–]helloeleni 21 points22 points23 points 1 year ago
So.... I don't understand. "Random chicks on the internet" ... does this mean porn or gonewild? or random pictures on facebook? Are you pointing out their attractiveness to your girlfriend?
If the latter is the case, I can see why that would upset her. My boyfriend rarely does this, and I don't really mind it. However if he made a habit out of it I would get pissed off pretty quickly.
Whether or not she has self-esteem issues or doubts about the relationship is kind of moot; in my opinion, she obviously doesn't like you making those comments to her/looking at (naked?) pictures of pretty girls in front of her, she has made that known to you, so knock it off. Even if you don't really understand why it upsets her, it's disrespectful to continue doing it.
I'd say you're within your rights to ask her why it upsets her, but honestly I don't know why it wouldn't. I'm very secure in my looks and relationship, but if my boyfriend focused all his visual lust on random chicks on the internet, it would not be long until it started chipping into my self-esteem, and after 3-4 years I would probably be pretty upset.
[–]catpocalypse 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
and your "men want what they can't have" comment undoubtedly made things worse-what in god's name would possess you to say that?
[–]LadyGriggs 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
ok, here's the thing, you need to pick your battles. You say it's always in a joking manner, and she never likes it from the sounds of it, so why are you still doing it? This shouldn't be a big issue. It is easy enough to fix, you can appreciate a good looking actress or model, but don't make it an obvious point of how attractive you think she is. Your gf probably doesn't think you are really going to leave, she probably is just hurt that you keep telling her how these other women are so beautiful. Is it really worth it to prove a point?
(female redditor btw)
[–]kleine-rot 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
Okay. The problem is not that you look, it's how it (sounds like) you're shoving it down her throat. I know my bf of 3 years looks, that's natural... How we handle it, if he exclaims, wow look at those tits ... He follows it up with, but not as nice as my girlfriend's. Even if I know it's full of crap, it's recognition on his part that he's acted a little like a dog :)
[–]bp_516 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Appreciating beauty is one thing, but if you keep searching for hot girls while you're on the internet, that does point to a different thing. Unless you're doing this for work, then yes, it'll hit your GF in her self-esteem. I agree with you that it doesn't mean you want to leave her, but if you continually do it, then you're not showing her a whole lot of respect, either.
[–]micheesie 37 points38 points39 points 1 year ago*
Relationships mean sacrifices. Do her a favor and stop doing what you are doing and compliment her more. Edit Grammar.
[–]CagedRat 55 points56 points57 points 1 year ago
My wife points out attractive women to me in public. We're both pretty secure in our relationship and there is nothing wrong with looking. She knows I'm going to one way or another.
[–]biologeek 29 points30 points31 points 1 year ago
Same here. As long as both people are secure in the relationship, it's not a problem. We both do this with each other, and it's all in fun and no hard feelings. She knows it doesn't mean anything, the same way I know it doesn't mean anything if she notices a cute guy.
[–]im_okay 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
You can both be secure in a relationship and not have that be a part of it. It's not as if a person is insecure just because they don't want people their SO finds attractive pointed out to them all the time.
[–]helloeleni 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Nothing wrong with looking at all. I call it window shopping. Nothing's wrong with looking even if you know you're not going to buy.
[–]BettyClark 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
My boyfriend and I do the same thing. I know that guys have urges and it's fun to check out girls with him... Like if a girl bends over at a near by table most of the time I'll notice it first and be like hot butt 2:00. I feel like its healthy; it doesn't create any self esteem issues because I know that it's human nature to look but even if we check out another girl, I'M THE GIRL HES DATING. He wouldn't be dating me if he wasn't fully attracted to me.
[–]goldiecat 151 points152 points153 points 1 year ago
It really pisses me off when people say,"oh she's just insecure! She is insecure in the relationship!" Umm no, she's a normal person who doesn't want her bf to be like, "hey babe this girl is so hot!" Excuse me, but that's fucking rude. I would be pissed too! I bet she feels reals real good about herself when her boyfriend shows her girls he thinks are hot. No matter what, she is probably going to compare herself to them. If you are fine with your bf looking at porn, that's fine. However, it's NOT wrong to not be okay with that! Everyone is different.
[–]micheesie 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago*
Right. When I was with my ex-boyfriend (was with him for two years) he would always bring up on how this girl is hot, or how he saw his old crush in this one store and he felt nostalgic... I'd ask him "do you think this/that girl is hot/pretty?" without hesitation he answers... but when I asked him what he thinks about me, he didn't answer. He said he didn't have the need to tell me because he said I should know. And guess what? I started to compare myself to them... I felt really ugly :( well, I broke up with him and have a great boyfriend now. He's helping me with my low self-esteem.
[–]goldiecat 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I am really glad you got a new boyfriend! I battle with self esteem as well and it's so hard. Good luck :)
[–]micheesie 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Thanks, and I wish you luck as well! It is very hard. :(
[–]mirv321 53 points54 points55 points 1 year ago
Yeah, as if he'd be fine with his girlfriend going
'Waw, look at that guys dick. Isn't it amazing'
[–]Navakira 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I couldn't agree more, thanks.
[–]AdrianHD -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
There is a difference between noticing another woman and then saying outright "hey babe this girl is so hot!" Yeah, OP kinda admitted to doing something like that in the comments, so you have your point, which I agree with. Regardless of gender however, if you're freaking out over your boyfriend/girlfriend noticing another person, THEN you're insecure.
[–]LezzieBorden -10 points-9 points-8 points 1 year ago
"hey babe this girl is so hot!" Excuse me, but that's fucking rude.
I don't find this that rude, but maybe it's because I am in a lesbian relationship. We both appreciate photos of hot ladies on the internet.
[–]nwz123 -15 points-14 points-13 points 1 year ago
Not necessarily. You can admit that someone looks good if done in a tactful way, like "Hey, hun, don't you think that girl over there is sorta pretty? not like you are, though, but still?"
And yes, part of it is insecurity. Why? Because what does another person being beautiful in your SO's eyes have to do with how strong YOU feel your connection to your SO is? If your SO cannot admit that he finds someone 'attractive' with is a normal, human thing, then you've got to work on your self-esteem. This goes both ways so it applies to men too.
[–]laissetomber 31 points32 points33 points 1 year ago
Why does he need to say it to his girlfriend at all?
[–]heavymetalmouth 22 points23 points24 points 1 year ago
Precisely. It's SO EASY to just keep it to yourself. Just shut up and have a shred of respect- it takes minimal effort.
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[–]laissetomber 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
If OP is asking for advice, it IS much easier for him to just keep his mouth shut versus trying to force his girlfriend to react the way HE wants to so he can keep on with his unnecessary comments. If he HAS to make those comments and absolutely cannot stop, then maybe he should find someone that feels fine with it, but it's not unreasonable for his gf to not like it.
[–]nwz123 -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
He doesn't. His gf can overhear him making the comment aloud and the results would still be the same if she was insecure.
Anyways, what's wrong with conversation? I've known plenty of women who were secure enough to talk about those kinds of things. I'm secure in that way too. It's called maturity. Just because you admit the fact of someone else's good looks doesn't mean anything other than that.
[–]laissetomber 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Well, unfortunately not everyone in this world thinks the exact same way as you. You seem to think your way is the "right" way. People are a bit grayer than that. "Plenty of women" is not "every woman," nor does it make the ones uncomfortable with it wrong or "immature."
I could argue that if OP had emotional maturity he would realize that it's unnecessary to make those comments to his girlfriend at all. There isn't just one kind of "maturity."
[–]HarryMonk -9 points-8 points-7 points 1 year ago
Nice try OP's girlfriend.
[–]lynnangel -20 points-19 points-18 points 1 year ago
I was with you until the porn thing then you got a downvote.
[–]lmak10 64 points65 points66 points 1 year ago
"men just appreciate beauty" sounds like an excuse to me. If you know it bugs her maybe you could try not to look at hot girls on the internet, or maybe just hide it better. I know I'd be happier not knowing what my bf does on the internet. And lurker girl- don't let him tell you these generalizations about men like they excuse his behavior if it's upsetting you
[–]Mezmerial[S] 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I do not intentionally go "looking" for them, and so I am going to take in to consideration that I am a jerk and that is something I should change about myself.
[–]biologeek 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
You sound like you are suggesting denial as a relationship tactic. Why not accept the fact that most men are this way, and instead of being insanely jealous about it, try to understand it and accept it? Most men are going to look, no matter what they tell you. I would think an open, honest, trusting relationship would be better than one where the man hides his feelings and thoughts from you because he's worried about what you will think.
[–][deleted] 37 points38 points39 points 1 year ago
And what about the woman's feelings? Why not accept the fact that most women feel this way? Don't you want to be in an open and honest relationship?
[–]DierdraVaal -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
A guy appreciating a picture of an attractive girl does not mean he's going to leave his girlfriend. My girlfriend has her occasional celebrity crushes and I don't give a fuck because it has no effect on our relationship.
Misplaced feelings of insecurity or jealousy do not need to be cuddled or encouraged.
Misplaced feelings of lust and degradation do not need to be tolerated. She isn't being insecure, she's being a human being with reasonable feelings.
[–]DierdraVaal -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago*
They're not reasonably if she jumps from "my boyfriend appreciates pictures of attractive women" to "my boyfriend is going to leave me". The two are not related, as evidenced by the fact that the OP has been dating 3+ years.
It's quite normal for people to feel insecure or even jealous over silly things like this, but we should recognise that those feelings are not a result of someone mistreating us, but a product of our own personal insecurities. Insecurities we should work to overcome - not require our partner to change their behaviour.
And appreciating an attractive individual is not a "misplaced feeling of lust" (and degradation? lol seriously?). It is a basic human trait (both in men and in women) to like seeing attractive individuals, developed over the entire course of our evolution. Contrary, assuming that because her boyfriend will leave her because he thinks "hey that girl is attractive" is a huge overreaction, and therefore misplaced.
OP was being a dick when he pointed the girls out to his girlfriend, but even that is no reason to think he'll leave her. Just reason to think he's an insensitive dick.
[–]minimang123 -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
What you're saying is that he should lie to her / hold information in from her in order to protect her feelings. That is not in an open and honest relationship, that is specifically not an honest relationship.
This case is different with regards to feelings, yes, but your argument is just... wrong.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
No my argument is right, YOU are just prioritizing the man's feelings over the womans. Which is unfair and sexist of you.
You are asking the woman to lie and be dishonest about her feelings, but who is the bigger douche here? The one who is asking HER BOYFRIEND not to ogle other women, or the one who is disrespecting his girlfriend and ogling other women? Men do not have a right to lust after every woman that comes across their view. It's objectifying and degrading and men need to understand that women are human beings not just pretty pictures for you to wank over.
[–]minimang123 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Obviously true, and completely agreed. But him just hiding his ogling is not honest; he should stop ogling altogether.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
This comment is directed towards the girlfriend:
I used to be really weird about boyfriends looking at other women in the real world or online. First it was an issue with porn. I got over that. Then it was looking at other women around the mall or whatever. That bothered me more than women online because those are "real" women he could potentially leave me for.
Eventually I got over everything for the most part, and realized that we're all humans and our instincts are to find mates we're attracted to. It's just a natural thing. Acting on it is something entirely different.
When I thought about it, I realized that I had no place to be jealous when my boyfriend did that because I did it too. I realized that I would look at cute guys walking around town, and I watch porn. It doesn't mean I wanna be with those men sexually, and even if I do, it doesn't mean I'm going to. Y'know?
I still am a little uneasy about my current boyfriend, but only sometimes. He has two female friends that I do feel weird about him being around, and I'm not sure why I feel that way. I just chalk it up to being irrational due to how much my ex fucked me up. Hopefully, that's all it is.
I have to believe you look at other guys, because I feel like everyone does it. I could be wrong, but it would seem there's no way you can just selectively blind yourself from potentially attractive men around you. I think everyone's like this though.
Occasionally, my boyfriend will tell me someone is attractive, and I won't lie, I will either agree or disagree with him, and for a minute or so, I will feel self conscious if I think they're better looking than me. Which I can totally understand why you'd be upset if your boyfriend does this a lot.
I think both of you need to talk about this and get on the same page. He's never going to stop if you don't, and similarly, you won't be able to feel better about the situation if it's not resolved.
Hope this helps a little. Sorry it's so long.
How about you learn to respect your girlfriend and stop looking at other women. If you want to keep looking, stay single. It's hurtful and crushing for you to be so rude to your girlfriend.
[–]catpocalypse 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
it's not even about the looking-it's about the fact that clearly he's making it known to his girlfriend, which doesn't make sense to me, unless he likes to make her jealous.
[–]katesrepublic 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I dunno, everyone's jumping on OP's back saying that he needs to just stop and try to please her - but compromise works both ways. Yes, guys are just gonna look at girls - as long as it's not to excess. He could work on being a little more discreet or restrained, and GF could also stand to be a little more understanding and less insecure.
[–]oedipathinks 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Agreed. More often than not situations like this come down to compromise. That doesn't mean everyone has to go around changing themselves for their SO, just that both parties have to think about how certain aspects of their behaviour might affect each other.
[–]LCK_74 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
It seems the general consensus is that you should keep comments regarding another woman's appearance to yourself. My SO and I have been dating for 3 years, and never once has he gone out of his way to tell me that he things some other broad is attractive. While I know that he DOES think they are, it's sortof an unspoken understanding that we don't need to voice it. It's a personal opinion, so keep it that way. It kinda sounds like you're talking about other girls more than you're complimenting your SO, and that definitely leads to unneeded insecurity. Just work on praising her more and keeping other chick comments to yourself. That should help immensely
[–]Saint_ 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Noticing pictures of other people, or searching them out?
[–]UsernameUsername1212 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
most straight women notice hot women. Just make sure you are telling her once in a while that she is beautiful and such.
[–]valyriansnow 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
My dad once said to me "Well, I figure when you're in a relationship life is like an art gallery, y'know, you can look, but don't touch".
An appreciative look doesn't necessarily convey intent.
Edit: Alternatively, subscribe her to /r/LadyBoners and just let her get on with it.
[–]michaelfarker 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Women are like sunsets. I enjoy the beauty of each one individually without it diminishing my appreciation.
A relationship with a special woman is a much greater and more enduring treasure.
[–]TheNextMovement -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
No one is going to help her get over her own insecurities but herself.
[–]Mezmerial[S] 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
Am I just a jerk for pointing the girls out?
[–]BaconBuddy 60 points61 points62 points 1 year ago
In short, yeah. Would you want her to say stuff like that to you? "Yeah, I want him," "he's so hot."
The truth is that many people want people they really don't want, but they fantasize anyway. Still, it's severely disrespectful to make her feel like less than these digital chicks, and kinda indicates a control or security issue on your end. why do you need to say it to her? Is it really do important that she know you'd hit that? Have some tact.
[–]gyarfb 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
Yeah, saying that you want what you can't have implies that you want those other women. It's okay to ogle, but language like that implies all the things that your girlfriend is concerned about.
[–]Mezmerial[S] 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
So, in fact it was me all along that reddit needed to explain something to. Ty for your words, as you have put them in a way that was helpful, truthful, but they were not bashing.
[–]apocalypse_titz 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Yes.
[–]althea67 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
No. It's that you're here trying to figure out why it bothers her instead of just saying 'oh, that bothers her, I'll stop.' Everyone is different. Some women are ok with it, some are ok with it in moderation (as someone else pointed out here,) and some are just not ok with it. Showing her respect is about not doing things that bother her, not trying to figure out how to do those things without having them bother her.
Look at it this way - if someone were to hurt your feelings, which apology would you think is better? "I'm sorry your feelings were hurt" or "I'm sorry I hurt your feelings." Subtle difference in wording, but huge difference in how it comes across.
[–]minimang123 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
I'd rather someone say "I'm sorry for doing the thing that hurt your feelings" than either. If I want an apology, I don't want someone to be sorry that they got angry, that the situation escalated, that anything about my feelings. I'd want an apology for wronging me.
Did he wrong her?
[–]althea67 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
You're basically saying the same thing as my second example, just with more words added. My point was the second example takes ownership, the first puts more blame on the person whose feelings were hurt. Kinda like "well, I guess it's just too bad you feel that way." The second respects the persons feelings, the first doesn't. It can also be generalized to include more than just feelings; I happened to use feelings as an example because it seems the OP's girlfriends' feelings are hurt when he does this.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Men aren't the only ones who appreciate beauty. I honestly had a problem with my ex looking at porn, but after a while, I thought "if he keeps looking at it, knowing it will get him in trouble, it must be worth something." So, I checked it out, and understood quickly. It's harmless, and quite honestly, it's healthy to know what you're attracted to. Have her subscribe to r/ladybonersgw (or one of the many female-friendly porn subreddits). good luck :)
[–]okec 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Your boyfriend obviously appreciates beauty, probably one of the reason's he's with you. Just relax and appreciate that he thinks your beautiful. There'a a reason he's been with you for 3-4 years.
[–]straterranova -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
I dont understand women. (I am one and still don't understand them lol) I mean we think other men are attractive so why is it terrible for our men to think other girls are attractive? My SO and I even talk about how other girls are attractive and pretty and what not. I know that he loves me. I'm 100 percent sure that he will never leave me for another woman so I am more than ok with him thinking other women are hot. Women need to get over the fact that other women are nice to look at. Women need to accept that not all men cheat and lie. Not all men are jerks and there are nice ones out there that do, in fact, just look.
[–]Deadpooldave -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago
Show her pic. Once she get 14,000 views. Call it even.
[–]ShadowKeaton -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
If you're not jerking off to those pictures then I don't see what the problem is. On reddit/ the internet in general, you're going to come across pictures of both women and men, whether they're nude in a sexual or sensual manner or just pictures of people in general if it's funny, art and everything else. When looking at this pictures it's not like you're going to leave her for some picture on the internet or even in real life, you can't just block out every female you see, it's going to happen.
Learn to trust is all I can say. We cannot stop from looking at the same or opposite sex on and offline. But if you're not jerking off to these pictures then there's nothing to fear or worry about. You're staying with her because you want HER. Not some other chick you see.
But never use the excuse of "Men appreciate beauty" because every one does that. The human body whether it's male or female is beauty and art (and this is coming from an artist by the by). All it is though when you say it like that is nothing but a lame excuse. Guys AND girls look at the same and opposite sex, it happens.
[–]redditmesilly -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
LOL, she is a lurker and you posted? Brother, all the best to you :)
Advice to the lady - Men appreciate beauty. He might think another girl's picture is cute or pretty, but he is still with you and not another girl who looks like the girl(s) from the picture(s), so understand that he still digs you.
Cheers.
[–]Succubus666 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Wow you fucked up with that comment! I'd be apologizing if I were you. Second, you mean to tell me she never judges men by thinking, "hey, he's hot!"---if she says no, she's lying. Even then, If either of you do, it does not mean you're ready to drop everything to go be with someone else. It's called being human and having sexual instincts to find other people appealing. When my bf sees a pretty girl and mentions it I usually look and make my own judgement. I could care less. I'm not saying this is true for all men but girls being insecure like that is a complete turn off. I'd suggest telling her more often than not how much you appreciate her or something she does so she doesn't have as many insecurities. GF---if youre reading this, loosen up. If he felt that way he would t have invested 4 years of his life just to walk away because someone is pretty. He obviously cares for you so stop doubting that or you may actually push him away.
[–]shmoopyboo -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
Try showing her the top pic in r/Ladyboners(http://www.reddit.com/r/ladyboners) as a little present. B/c, cute!
But also, it might help her to see as you see: that casual looking (IRO and at pics) is only a small part of your sexuality but not the whole of it. Perhaps, once she sees the pic, she'll run through a similar gamut in her own mind. If she's never really considered looking at randoms, maybe she'll find that it's ok for her to explore that side of herself. May not be into it at all but it's worth a shot.
Proceed with loving attention and respect for her limits and each other. Good luck.
[–][deleted] -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
I point out girls to my boyfriend all the time. He doesn't point girls out to me but I catch him looking. It doesn't bother me because I know he loves me, not those women. I personally think the problem is with her...
[–]ragingmemeaholic -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
There are seperate drives: sexual and emotional then there's the pause to check system. Key thing is that they're seperate drives! If he has any self control and really likes you no worries at all. Example: She's hot (eyes drawn to her) then the pause to check system comes in: "I love my girlfriend and what we have I'd never give that up. The pause to check system is balanced by the emotional system, if you really like your girlfriend and are happy you won't cheat because its not worth losing. This is my simplified version there are several factors like temperamant (impulsivity) but the main thing is that the drives are seperate! Also avoid telling your gf how hot other women are it makes them feel inadequate and vice versa even though they likely aren't. If you are secure in your relationship pointing out a hottie every once in a while is ok because the other person knows looks aren't everything at all.
[–]emileelee5 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
saying that you want what you can't have probably would have made me a little upset.. But like with my fiance. I could give a dam what he looks at. lol were both ok with us "checkin out the opposite sex" lol He always teases me that he will make me go bi. lol but we make it a joke. fiance: hun look.. 2 o'clock, id stick it in her. me: ...hmm.. dam! so would i ; D!! LOL
[–]xXxBluESkiTtlExXx -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago
Hey you! Girlfriend of O.P! Just because he notices other women does not mean he doesn't want you. Think about it. If he didn't notice women, would you be with him?
[–]Rasalom -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago*
Looking at women for men is as biological as sneezing. Some can hide it better than others, but we all do it and it has to happen.
Sometimes it happens just because, like a regular sneeze from dust or the sun (just looking at a good looking woman).
Sometimes it's a sneeze from a sickness (your guy wants to cheat).
Some guys do it gross (wiping their hand on their arm or staring at a woman for too long), some are more polite (a compliment to a stranger can be like covering your mouth), but in the end, all men still do it.
As long as OP was up front about it with you, you have nothing to worry about. He's trying to assure you it's meaningless, and it pretty much is.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
You aren't really an asshole. You're just a guy, dating an insecure girl.
[–]basketballpope -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
It doesnt matter where you build up your appetite as long as you come home for dinner
[–]jinglyjangly88 -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
She needs to take a good look at herself. Why is she so concerned with who and what you look at? The fact remains that (I hope) you have been faithful and you're doing nothing more than appreciating something that's pretty. Has she never been to an art museum or a movie theatre? It's the same exact thing; you are appreciating the beauty behind something, but that doesn't mean you're going to drop everything and take the painting from the museum or steal the movie reel from the theatre. Sounds like she's insecure to me...
[–]spankytheham -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago
You notice other women being you are a sexual being, if you wouldn't notice them it would mean you are either blind or gay, I don't think your gf would appreciate either.
[–]Deathdealer1929 -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago
Hey, there's nothing wrong with looking at the menu.
[–]Larviz -6 points-5 points-4 points 1 year ago
Men are more visual. Looking is not a bad thing. Hell I remember my mom taking my dad to the strip club and getting him a lap dance. Nothing wrong with window shopping. We women do it, and we do not buy.
[–]techtakular -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
this is fucking hilarious, for the simple fact its not me. ah schadenfreude.
Anyway I would tell it like this, look sorry I can't help it I do not wish that they were you or you them. I love you for you and nothing no matter what any women in the world looks like would ever change that.
But as the top comments points, there may seem to be something more here than a lack of understanding.
[–]mezasu -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
What CagedRat said. If you want to hear this example from the other side, I'm a 32F in a fairly new relationship and I point out attractive women in public. His /r/gonewild links are all purple. So what. I'm right here in front of him. I know that he knows nothing about that woman and even though I might consider her prettier than me, I know I can be the best damn woman for him. He also doesn't freak out if I look at an attractive man. Wee /r/ladyboners! Pretty people are everywhere and there is no reason to get worked up over it unless you are making a HUGE deal over another pretty girl and don't shut up about it in front of her (not saying you are doing this, just giving an extreme example).
Did she have a rough past if she thinks you will just up and leave her over someone who might look better? It's not fair for her to blindfold you for the rest of your life. You're going to look at porn, you're going to work with attractive women throughout your life, they exist. She needs to be confident in herself and be sexy for you. If she complains about every woman you see, you are probably going to get sick of it. But please don't go pointing out every attractive girl to her. Keep it to yourself.
[–]theplow -7 points-6 points-5 points 1 year ago
She needs to chill out. I couldn't imagine her reaction if she knew you fapped to porn while she was away.
To the girlfriend: If he's been with you for almost 4 years and cares enough to post about this on reddit. Then give him a blowjob and tell him he's wonderful and get over your insecurities.
To the boyfriend: Compliment her sweet ass on a routine basis, because she's insecure and needs that. And say some meaningful shit to.
[–]LittleElton 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
You forgot something. Dont forget to beat her and make her get back in the kitchen, too
[–]Jaydubzsc2 -16 points-15 points-14 points 1 year ago
What are half of these people talking about? UR DOING NOTHING WRONG, just because you think a women is attractive DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING. Obviously she thinks other MEN are attractive, why wouldn't you? Your obviously not dating the hottest girl in the world, and shes not dating the hottest male. Of course your both going to find other people attractive, but you do not just date people because you find them attractive. I feel like from this their has to be insecurities in the past of her past life. Just make sure she knows you love her, and tell her that and you would do anything.
Your fine, i do this all time. Girlfriend agrees and giggles with me and helps me pick out hot ones when we go out and we rate them. She knows im not going to do anything.
[–]catpocalypse 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
you are such an unbelievable dick, it's incredible to me. did you ever think that maybe you have the fortune of being less insecure than some other people? and unless you've struggled with insecurity, you really have no right to be so rude about it-if you HAVE struggled with it, then you wouldn't be saying this in the first case. you're not the only SANE girlfriend left, and i'm sure you have things about you that are JUST as unpleasant as insecurity can be-in fact, the bitchy attitude that this post just OOZES would be a turn off for me, in a man or a woman.
if you plan on making this your career, maybe you should take a couple of classes in tact?
[–]catpocalypse 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
You're a real winner, completely unable to empAthize and see a point of view you don't personally share. Good luck being a therapist with such a shitty attitude towards other people.
[–]missmichellini 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I really hope you're joking about being a future sex and relationship therapist.
Anyone who spoke to someone in such a disrespectful and blatantly disgusting manner should never be in the position to give people advice or help people solve their relationship problems.
"Get your tampon out of your ass"? Really? If you're signing off as "The only sane girlfriend left" you should know you're being wonderfully sexist and you lack compassion to boot.
[–]WhiteSabbath891 -6 points-5 points-4 points 1 year ago
Lol ok. So when I'm making 300k a year and I'm done with my book, then come talk to me. Until then, have fun with being over sensitive about what someone said ON THE INTERNET.
[–]LittleElton 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
And then someone's going to pinch you and you're going to wake up
Haha. Come back when that happens, I'm sure I'll be begging for your autograph.
[–]freudianasaurus -13 points-12 points-11 points 1 year ago
She is fundamentally insecure with herself. Is she fucking twelve? Grown women don't assume that their significant others will just up and leave them because they see a picture of Megan Fox on the internet, or because he briefly looks at some hot chick.
Seriously, girl, just stop it. You're not doing women any favors by being a paranoid, jealous cunt. The reason women like you get dumped is not because men can only appreciate a hot girl. It's because men don't appreciate being nagged at every time they use their eyes. Get over it.
[–]diddydenise 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
Seriously? This is fucking cruel, how would you feel if your Girlfriend checked out dudes packages on the internet and said "Oh honey look at that guys dick, it's so much bigger then yours". Yeah I'm pretty sure that would feel like a knife. You're the one who needs to grow up. And cunt? What are you, twelve?
EDIT: I'm so sick of this canned "This is how men are, get over it" argument. Stop letting your god damn social programming run how you live your life. We're human beings, not animals.
[–]catpocalypse 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
yes, but to be reminded of this fact, despite that she is CLEARLY uncomfortable with it, is disrespectful of her boyfriend. he doesn't NEED to tell her how he saw such a beautiful girl on the internet, what she looked like, he doesn't NEED to share that with her. why would he? it really doesn't make any sense-what does he hope to achieve by telling her how he saw some hot chick on the internet?
[–]Nerzz -18 points-17 points-16 points 1 year ago
some people are beautiful why not notice them. Sounds like she is insecure.
[–]Nerzz -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
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