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How come Liverpool fans were not condemned for their booing of the national anthem? (self.soccer)

submitted ago by Brighton & Hove AlbionLolzafish

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Chelsea fans chanted "murderers" for what Liverpool fans did at Heysel to the Juventus fans. Chelsea fans slated by everyone in the media.

Liverpool fans boo the national anthem, haven't seen any sort of condemnation in the media or even on Reddit. Some Liverpool fans have spoken up about it on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/search/liverpool%20anthem (if you would form an opinion by reading some of the tweets)

What the fuck, world.

(I do not endorse Chelsea fans chanting "murderers" any way in the slightest and I was at Wembley for that Semi-Final match, silent for the full minute, utterly disgraceful and whoever did it should never go to a football match again)

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[–]PSV EindhovenTomblerone 36 points37 points ago

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You are probably from the USA?

In Europe, nobody get's all emotional when hearing the national anthem (except maybe at the olympics). There is national pride, but we don't have to show it by singing a song.

[–]Liverpoolidlenation 13 points14 points ago

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You can't help where you are born which is one of the major reasons i have never felt patriotic to be British, lucky yes, patriotic no. Also the national anthem is crap glorying a privileged family born into power, in my opinion if you must have a national anthem it should be about the people of the nation or the nation itself. I must admit their was no need for the booing and I felt sorry for the girl singing but then again booing of national anthems is not uncommon in wembley with section of the home crowd booing the away teams national anthems.

[–]Atlético MadridStingerc 3 points4 points ago

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I have an English friend who is very, very patriotic (he gave me a birthday card with a picture of the Queen, really looses it if you criticize anything English, etc.) and he's the butt of many jokes of my other English friends because of this.

I found it oddly reassuring, specially after growing up in the US, where blind, unreasoning patriotism is seen as a virtue by large percentage of the population.

[–]scg30 1 point2 points ago

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To imply that blind or overly exuberant patriotism is a uniquely American phenomenon is a completely self-indulgent and naive thing for any European person to think or say.

Far Right-Wing Nationalist political parties have a long and unsettling history throughout most of Europe and still exist today in many countries.

These kinds of vicious nationalism, xenophobia and patriotic exceptionalism are things that were exported to the United States by European colonists in the 18th century and European Immigrants in the 19th/early 20th century.

To be sure, they were consolidated and re-branded into a particular 'American' articulation over the course of United States history, and have developed their own repugnant and persistent history in America since.

But to say that issues/viewpoints of this kind are only current or relevant to an American political sensibility or context is absurd and patently false.

[–]Houston Dynamoyggdrasiliv 1 point2 points ago

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America as a whole is much more exuberant in patriotism by the average citizen.

[–]ChelseaAcount_Number_3 8 points9 points ago

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But who the hell boos it? Liverpool have this mentality that they're Scouse, not English. Which is hilarious.

[–]cock_blockula 21 points22 points ago

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Chelsea fans chanted "murderers" for what Liverpool fans did at Heysel to the Juventus fans.

Liverpool fans boo the national anthem, haven't seen any sort of condemnation in the media or even on Reddit.

These two situations are not comparable, that's why. Besides Liverpool fan weren't condemned because there is absolutely nothing wrong with booing the national anthem, its a complete non-issue over here.

[–]Leeds UnitedTBHBP 22 points23 points ago

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Who gives a shit? Our national anthem is complete balls. Belief in god is decreasing and even so the queen doesn't deserve to be saved above anyone else.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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It's our national anthem so I'll sing it loud.

[–]Liverpoolidlenation 9 points10 points ago

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Exactly i don't believe in god and i am of the view that the country should be a republic, so why should I sing "god save the queen".

[–]Luton TownHedonisticVibrations 9 points10 points ago*

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Ok you might not be patriotic and ok you may not support the queen, but to boo it is very disrespectful, there are other avenues to express your opinion on the subject that do not involve being actively disrespecting a national symbol.

Personally I do not see a problem with our monarchy at the moment, its a world wide symbol and is invaluable to tourism. Say your British to anyone in the world and the first thing they will think of is the Queen. I would much prefer her than some arsehole career politician like David Cameron or Tony Blair being head of state.

[–]Leeds UnitedTBHBP -1 points0 points ago

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I don't mind the monarchy either, i support it, i just don't like the inferiority our national anthem implies. It should be land of hope and glory or rule britannia.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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Land of hope and glory is a very English song, it would be as bad as the current one for a UK anthem. Could have a separate English one I guess. Not a big fan of Rule Britannia either, stuck in the past too much I think.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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Some people suggest that the tourism impact is overrated - castles in France earn more than in the UK, for example. Plus it's just not a very forward-thinking way of going about it, it is, like much of Britain, a bit stuck in the past.

[–]Luton TownHedonisticVibrations 2 points3 points ago

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I am not aware of the situation in France but many Castles in the UK are entrusted to the National Trust and English Heritage, not for profit organisations, whose primary aim is the conservation of heritage rather than making money off it.

[–]Brighton & Hove AlbionLolzafish[S] 4 points5 points ago

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I'm all for people not liking, I'm not religious nor do I care for royalty but to boo it is quite.. well, quite weird.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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http://www.football365.com/news/21554/7733996/16-Conclusions-From-The-FA-Cup-Final.../comments

Read Tremor's comment. It summarizes your questions quite nicely regarding the Liverpudlian animosity toward the monarchy

I'm on my phone so I can't format the link well.

[–]Australiadisco2disco 3 points4 points ago

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tremor (Liverpool) says... The national anthem was booed and sang over with YNWA. Unfortunately boo's are louder than singing. This is nothing new. In '65 Liverpool fans sang God Save our Gracious Team. Liverpool and Everton fans sang "Merseyside, Merseyside" throughout the National Anthem in '86. Both Liverpool and Everton asked the FA and the royal family to sing YNWA instead of the national anthem for the final of '89 in respect to the 96 who had dired just weeks before. They were refused. This was the last straw for a lot of people. The city and its residents has been tainted by the media's lies after Hillsborough. The royal family refusing to attend the ceremony for the 96. Thatchers cover up. The butt of every check your car keys gag. What accent did drug dealers and murderers have in ITV dramas? Most people have no idea what it was like living in Liverpool in the aftermath of Hillsborough. Everyone knew someone involved. I was nine and that feeling will stay with me forever. With the reports, media coverage and disdain shown by the government and royal family towards the victims and the city, can you blame anyone for sticking 2 fingers up at the establishment .

This is the crazy victim mentality that I detest in some Liverpool fans. Sadly a lot of these type of fans are very vocal. The butt of every car keys gag? Do Liverpool fans think the rest of the country held a secret meeting about them?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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And nothing like a national anthem that calls on you to "crush" some of your fellow citizens!

[–]ChelseaEchalon 2 points3 points ago

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Is the north/south divide that bad that is not even of note when something like this happens? I remember when Welsh fans booed the anthem there was at least mention of it.

[–]Manchester UnitedTwoNine 6 points7 points ago*

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Northerners don't boo our national anthem as standard.

Edit: Spelling was just awful.

[–]Chelsealaxguy 2 points3 points ago

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you guys seem to be missing the point that both of these things are incredibly disrespectful. whether you are super patriotic or not, boo'ing the national anthem is unnacceptable. you can quietly refrain from singing, but to actively boo or sing other songs over it its unbelievably disrespectful.

[–]LiverpoolVibster 7 points8 points ago

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Liverpool is in the north and has a large Irish population. They're not exactly the type to enjoy a sing song about how great the royals are.

[–]Liverpoolcathalhenry -1 points0 points ago

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I'm Irish and you certainly have a point. Speaking more generally, no matter what country you're from, an anthem must be representative of the nation and, more importantly, the people of that nation. 'God Save The Queen' glorifies a primitive class based system and an overly privileged, constitutionally empowered, tax payer funded, theocratic monarch who could not be separated any further from the average British citizen, even if she was monarch of the Moon.

Besides, national anthems are a pretty odd concept anyway, though I do like the Italian and Russian ones on a completely musical level.

[–]Manchester Unitedasugden 3 points4 points ago

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I think most English don't really give much of a shit about the Queen and most people I know think our anthem is shite, which i agree with. England isn't that patriotic really and I'm glad to be honest.

[–]Brighton & Hove AlbionLolzafish[S] 3 points4 points ago

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I am english(I have lived in West London all my life) but I am wondering why this wasn't put in the news or anything.

[–]LiverpoolVibster 7 points8 points ago

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I'm surprised the Daily Mail or the Telegraph hasn't written something on it.

[–]Brighton & Hove AlbionLolzafish[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Which is my point, I do not understand why this "controversial" topic hasn't been pounced upon by the media.

[–]Leeds Unitedmongzords 8 points9 points ago

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Muslims didn't do it and it didn't cure cancer so they don't give a fuck.

[–]Brighton & Hove AlbionLolzafish[S] 2 points3 points ago

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http://i.imgur.com/xgcBF.gif

[–]this_sort_of_thing 1 point2 points ago

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Irrespective of opinions on god and the royals, that's the first time I've seen fans from an English club boo the own anthem

I'm not saying act like a dramatic American with your hand on your heart and crying like a moron, but there's no need to boo it either...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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it's a crap song, by the way. just saying.

[–]Republic of Irelandcupofteafather 0 points1 point ago

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Instead of booing, the could just have not sung. There may have been plenty of others who are patriotic, not to mention that it's a given that the anthem is played at cup finals. Why they have to be disrespectful is beyond me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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On the people saying it's a non subject in Europe. When (inevitably) supporters boo an opposing countries anthem at the Euros, r/soccer will go into overdrive.

[–]Wellington Phoenixmyglasscase 11 points12 points ago

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You have every right to boo your own anthem. You have absolutely no right to boo someone else's anthem. Those are two completely different things, it's not a double standard.

[–]Liverpoolswitchstyle -1 points0 points ago

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Nailed it.

[–]LiverpoolMaverick_Pirate -2 points-1 points ago

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I wouldn't sing the national anthem...I'm not remotely patriotic, dont respect or like the queen and find it archaic that our national anthem celebrates an old woman who doesn't do much for anyone in the UK. I'm fine with people jeering it

[–]Huddersfield TownRobbza -2 points-1 points ago

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When i spent a lot of time in Liverpool there was a "Were not English we're Scouse mentality, pissed me off being patriotic but i can understand they're ideals.